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re: US Open might as well be another tour event
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:43 pm to TheChosenOne
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:43 pm to TheChosenOne
Pebble should never be artificially made more difficult. It has natural defenses. Torrey Pines they make ridiculous for a course that shouldn't be in rotation and Bethpage I remember them having to water the greens between groups because they went too far in inflating scores.
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Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:51 pm to sms151t
Yea, Torrey and Bethpage are just the product of the USGA trying to bring the US Open to public courses in the 2000's. Now we're stuck with them. I'm not a fan of either as US Open hosts.
I think Rakim's nursing home must have had lights out at 9:30.
I think Rakim's nursing home must have had lights out at 9:30.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:57 pm to Rakim
Yeah, by US Open standards it wasn't great. Erin Hills had a vibe about it with the Cathedral on the hill, but the scoring was simply too high. Other than tying Rory at Congressional (-16), these weren't US Open like scores.
Erin Hills is not in the rotation through 2026.
Erin Hills is not in the rotation through 2026.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:58 pm to TheChosenOne
I don't mind them going to public courses but when you take 1/3 of fairway away because you need to toughen it up, there's different ways to add teeth
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:12 pm to sms151t
A big issue with some courses hosting is not having enough room.
Winged Foot, for instance, uses the East Course for trailers, concessions, bleachers, etc. they do more damage to the course they don't use than the one they actually play on.
Winged Foot, for instance, uses the East Course for trailers, concessions, bleachers, etc. they do more damage to the course they don't use than the one they actually play on.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:13 pm to Golfer
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I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to communicate here.
I understand completely.
Do you at least admit that all 280s are not created equally?
I can't understand how people are happy about the amount of under par play that happened this US Open. The course was a bad choice.
I can watch that type of golf every other tournament. I expect "different" at the US Open.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:16 pm to TheChosenOne
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made the simpletons happy.
Really?
The US Open is about tradition and history. Just because folks want some semblance of continuity with that doesn't make them "simpletons". The 2017 US Open blew apart the record books. Demolished them.
You have approached this with as much douchebaggery as the OP did.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:18 pm to Rakim
It feels that way because Fox is total dogshit, the bumper music was fitted for NHRA or a monster truck rally, sad.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:19 pm to kilo
So if they just made Erin Hills a par 70 like they do almost every other course and overall scores relative to par were 5-7 shots worse, then you would be happy?
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:20 pm to Strannix
I couldn't tell. I had the sound muted. I can only take so much of Joe Buck.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:22 pm to kilo
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Do you at least admit that all 280s are not created equally?
On one hand you're saying "280 isn't 280 everywhere" but then complaining about scores relative to par. You're contradicting yourself.
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I can't understand how people are happy about the amount of under par play that happened this US Open. The course was a bad choice.
Again. Strokes relative to par doesn't matter. 8 people bested 280 in soft conditions.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:27 pm to Golfer
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On one hand you're saying "280 isn't 280 everywhere" but then complaining about scores relative to par. You're contradicting yourself.
No. I'm complaining about the course and have been the entire thread.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:29 pm to kilo
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Just because folks want some semblance of continuity with that doesn't make them "simpletons".
I'm calling you simpletons because you can't understand that a par 72 is going to have lower scores relative to par than a par 70. That's a fact. It's why the USGA went away from playing courses at par 72, because they wanted to falsely inflate the difficulty of the course.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:34 pm to TheChosenOne
You still are not understanding some of my points.
I want the USGA to maintain the standards and bar in course selection, course lay out and difficulty that is expected of a US Open to maintain the integrity of its history ,standing and its record book.
If making Erin Hills a 70 and narrowing some of those fairways and not cutting back some of the tall grass is what it would have taken then so be it.
I want the USGA to maintain the standards and bar in course selection, course lay out and difficulty that is expected of a US Open to maintain the integrity of its history ,standing and its record book.
If making Erin Hills a 70 and narrowing some of those fairways and not cutting back some of the tall grass is what it would have taken then so be it.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:40 pm to kilo
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I'm complaining about the course and have been the entire thread.
If you have any complaint about the course it's that they had the landing areas too wide off the tee. But watching today, in particular, you could tell how the course awarded you for good shots, and punished you for poor ones.
Good example of that was 15. Koepka hit a perfect approach shot. Fleetwood, hit an average shot in and it caught the ridge and went to the collection area.
Some of these past US Open courses punished even great shots, IMO.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 10:50 pm to kilo
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If making Erin Hills a 70 and narrowing some of those fairways and not cutting back some of the tall grass is what it would have taken then so be it.
This is the USGA's fault, not Erin Hills. Like I posted earlier in the thread, some of this was in the plans a couple years ago, but USGA decided against it. I think tightening up some of the fairways, especially in landing zones 300+, would have been sufficient.
I've played this course and it's terrific. It stands up against every other US Open course that I've played. They'll tweak it a little going forward and I think people are going to see it's true potential.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 11:00 pm to TheChosenOne
I'm still trying to figure out how Los Angeles CC got a US Open.
Or Harding Park hosting anything more than a normal tour stop.
Or Harding Park hosting anything more than a normal tour stop.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 6/18/17 at 11:03 pm to TheChosenOne
If it hasn't rained and the wind would have blown like it normally does the winning score would have been around 5 under. People blaming this on Erin Hills are wrong. If St. Andrews has no wind it is a ridiculously easy course, and no one is going to say that it shouldn't be played.
The only mistake the USGA made, IMO, was the fairways. 70 yard wide fairways are not US Open standards, but if you missed them you were punished. Pretty much guaranteed bogey if you drive it into the fescue, and the primary rough was thick and bad lies were not uncommon.
The only mistake the USGA made, IMO, was the fairways. 70 yard wide fairways are not US Open standards, but if you missed them you were punished. Pretty much guaranteed bogey if you drive it into the fescue, and the primary rough was thick and bad lies were not uncommon.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 11:32 pm to Golfer
Yea, LA CC over Riviera is baffling. I guess we'll see how it holds up.
I agree whole heartedly on Harding Park. It's an underwhelming course that doesn't even have the infrastructure to support a big time tournament. It's probably the 4th best course on Lake Merced after Olympic Lake and Ocean and SF Club. Hell, Cal Club down the freeway is a severely underrated course that's much better than Harding Park, imo
I agree whole heartedly on Harding Park. It's an underwhelming course that doesn't even have the infrastructure to support a big time tournament. It's probably the 4th best course on Lake Merced after Olympic Lake and Ocean and SF Club. Hell, Cal Club down the freeway is a severely underrated course that's much better than Harding Park, imo
Posted on 6/18/17 at 11:35 pm to TheChosenOne
Yup.
Lost in all this bitching about Erin Hills are the courses over the next decade are back, for the most part, to the "traditional" USGA setups.
Riveria doesn't have enough room for what the USGA requires.
Lost in all this bitching about Erin Hills are the courses over the next decade are back, for the most part, to the "traditional" USGA setups.
Riveria doesn't have enough room for what the USGA requires.
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 11:38 pm
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