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re: Tulane Baseball: What happened to it?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:24 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:24 am to choupiquesushi
but that wasnt what he was talking about .. come on man, keep up 
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Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:27 am to Newbomb Turk
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You can trace it back to when they stopped letting him use the Legislative Scholarships to give 6-8 more scholarships than any other team in the country. He used these things to recruit kids for YEARS. When they stopped letting him use these, the program slowly started to deteriorate.
which was right after katrina and the closing of the UC..
but wasn't the NCAA that balked at the LS?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:37 am to threeputt
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but that wasnt what he was talking about .. come on man, keep up
I know.. just so used to people going>>>> when and why did they cut baseball scholarships...
how baseball schollys are handled is a damned shame...
at least by and large college baseball players are true student athletes...
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:33 am to threeputt
I'm confused about the scholarship handling.
So the 11.7 scholarships rule has been in place for a while...and what changed after 2005 or so was that there was a minimum % requirement for those who recieved scholarships and that number could also not exceed 25.
So how did that affect who received scholarships? Were there some players who were recieving less than 33% before the rule change thus taking scholarship money away from other talented players who needed a larger share? I'm assuming Tulane funds the entire scholarship allotment, so it's not like rising tuition has any negative contribution to the program (the school itself is having to pay more, true)
I know, I can be dense sometimes.
So the 11.7 scholarships rule has been in place for a while...and what changed after 2005 or so was that there was a minimum % requirement for those who recieved scholarships and that number could also not exceed 25.
So how did that affect who received scholarships? Were there some players who were recieving less than 33% before the rule change thus taking scholarship money away from other talented players who needed a larger share? I'm assuming Tulane funds the entire scholarship allotment, so it's not like rising tuition has any negative contribution to the program (the school itself is having to pay more, true)
I know, I can be dense sometimes.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 8:35 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 8:57 am to TulaneUVA
Rick Jones evidently was giving a lot of players small amounts of money (less than 33%) ... Im not privy to exactly how he was working it but However he was juggling the 11.7 was working ... Now if you give a guy any money you must give him at least 33% (for example you no longer can give a guy room & board and/or books)
This is what is hurting the program because now there are fewer players that get scholarship money ... Meaning more guys on the team have to pay for the increased tution... It hurts depth on your team so if the coaches "miss" on a recruit or if a scholarship player gets injured - it hurts BIG TIME.
When you think about 11.7, you also have to think about the number of pitchers that are on the staff .. It's not like you can give your starting nine full rides and be done with it .. There are probably at least 10 pitchers on staff that get significant playing time.
From what I hear, other privates (like rice) help with academic aide and other various scholies when they can. Tulane has been very very stingy with giving athletes othertype of scholies and/or aide. Of course the state schools are cheaper to attend and have programs like TOPS here in LA that allow athletes attend school for free that do not count against the 11.7 ..
Hope that makes sense as I am driving and typing on my phone
This is what is hurting the program because now there are fewer players that get scholarship money ... Meaning more guys on the team have to pay for the increased tution... It hurts depth on your team so if the coaches "miss" on a recruit or if a scholarship player gets injured - it hurts BIG TIME.
When you think about 11.7, you also have to think about the number of pitchers that are on the staff .. It's not like you can give your starting nine full rides and be done with it .. There are probably at least 10 pitchers on staff that get significant playing time.
From what I hear, other privates (like rice) help with academic aide and other various scholies when they can. Tulane has been very very stingy with giving athletes othertype of scholies and/or aide. Of course the state schools are cheaper to attend and have programs like TOPS here in LA that allow athletes attend school for free that do not count against the 11.7 ..
Hope that makes sense as I am driving and typing on my phone
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:01 am to threeputt
And admission requirements have increased in the last few years and the allotment for exemptions that the athletic department is allowed to give has not increased ...
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, if you take the rooster from tulane's 2005 CWS team - I'm willing to bet 65% of those players wouldn't be on the team giving today's NCAA rules and requirements to be admitted/attend tulane.
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, if you take the rooster from tulane's 2005 CWS team - I'm willing to bet 65% of those players wouldn't be on the team giving today's NCAA rules and requirements to be admitted/attend tulane.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:12 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:11 am to threeputt
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This is what is hurting the program because now there are fewer players that get scholarship money ... Meaning more guys on the team have to pay for the increased tution... It hurts depth on your team so if the coaches "miss" on a recruit or if a scholarship player gets injured - it hurts BIG TIME.
That makes sense.
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From what I hear, other privates (like rice) help with academic aide and other various scholies when they can. Tulane has been very very stingy with giving athletes othertype of scholies and/or aide. Of course the state schools are cheaper to attend and have programs like TOPS here in LA that allow athletes attend school for free that do not count against the 11.7 ..
And this makes even more sense. So the crux of the matter is that the rule change did not affect cheaper schools much as either academic side of the school or the parents were able to absorb the impact with relative ease. In Tulane's case, the rule change was not 'absorbable' by the parents (even if it was a matter of just room and board in some cases) and THE ADMINISTRATION has not kept up.
I highlight the above because it sounds like Tulane can be doing some things creatively to help with the problem...similar to what you alluded to with Rice. Another classic case of the administration not putting their money where their mouth is?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:11 am to TulaneUVA
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Were there some players who were recieving less than 33% before the rule change thus taking scholarship money away from other talented players who needed a larger share?
Yes. Not just at Tulane, but all over the country. Before the regulations, teams that could more efficiently manage the 11.7 had a competitive advantage. The new rules killed that by taking away some of the ways of managing that number.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:13 am to TulaneUVA
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the rule change did not affect cheaper schools much as either academic side of the school or the parents were able to absorb the impact with relative ease.
Yep. Look at the Big West. Irvine and Fullerton are cheap as shite to go to. The scholarship changes didn't really mess them up at all, because people don't have to come out of pocket much at all anyway. Who it has hurt, out there, is Pepperdine and USC.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:14 am to threeputt
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And admission requirements have increased in the last few years and the allotment for exemptions that the athletic department is allowed to give has not increased ...
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, if you take the rooster from tulane's 2005 CWS team - I'm willing to bet 65% of those players wouldn't be on the team giving today's NCAA rules and requirements to be admitted/attend tulane.
I think this part is much less of a problem in baseball than the other sports.....
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:16 am to TulaneUVA
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TulaneUVA
BINGO .... I know for a fact of a starting freshman on another conference team that is getting substantial academic scholarship who wanted to go to tulane .. The coaches not only could not get any financial help for the player but could not even get the kid in school ...
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:19 am to choupiquesushi
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I think this part is much less of a problem in baseball than the other sports.....
Why's that?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:21 am to TulaneUVA
Because baseball players are as a rule better students than football players ... Thus a bigger percentage of them should meet the academic requirements to attend school ..
But it still decreases your potential pool when the school raises the requirements and gives you no more exceptions.
But it still decreases your potential pool when the school raises the requirements and gives you no more exceptions.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 9:23 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:21 am to threeputt
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BINGO .... I know for a fact of a starting player on another conference team that is getting substantial academic scholarship who wanted to go to tulane .. The coaches not only could not get any financial help for the player but could not even get the kid in school ...
*sigh* Why do we do this to ourselves?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:22 am to threeputt
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Because baseball players are as a rule better students than football players ...
I guess, but there are plenty of dumb baseball players out there. Maybe they're more willing to show up for class, but they're dumb.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:22 am to choupiquesushi
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the classes at tulane aren't harder
How would you have any knowledge of this? The UC classes aren't even on the main campus, and the school still exists. It just had a name change well after Katrina. There's so much misinformation in this thread...
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:24 am to threeputt
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Because baseball players are as a rule better students than football players ...
I was baiting him. Stop giving me away.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:31 am to Geauxld Finger
They got a bunch of North LA kids and transfers who were outstanding. That dried up and so has the program.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:38 am to TulaneTigerFan
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How would you have any knowledge of this? The UC classes aren't even on the main campus, and the school still exists. It just had a name change well after Katrina. There's so much misinformation in this thread...
name one person in the past 30 years that was paying their tuition and was asked to leave the university.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 9:39 am to TulaneUVA
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Because baseball players are as a rule better students than football players ...
I was baiting him. Stop giving me away.
really now... come on....
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