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re: TUF 10: Season Long Thread
Posted on 10/1/09 at 1:54 pm to LSUgrasshopper
Posted on 10/1/09 at 1:54 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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And not that I'm internet tough guy... they all kick my arse, but they just aren't elite fighters.
i think he has a chance to be very good. will he put in hard work in order to do it? that's the question with him.
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Posted on 10/1/09 at 2:03 pm to LSUgrasshopper
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Winning TUF 10 and succeeding at a high level are completely different
besides the first two seasons, the TUF fighters haven't done much
Posted on 10/1/09 at 3:49 pm to The Ramp
The Comeback season was an exception because they were all former UFC vets. Ben Saunders seems like he might be around for a while in the WW division as well.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 3:55 pm to etm512
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Ben Saunders seems like he might be around for a while in the WW division as well.
seen he's fighting Marcus Davis next.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:15 pm to John Doe
realistically you are just not going to find that many great heavyweights. a brock lesnar or a prime alexander karelin are rare examples.
especially here in america where bigger guys can play in many other sports and make a hell of a lot more money.
especially here in america where bigger guys can play in many other sports and make a hell of a lot more money.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:48 pm to lsucoonass
Rampage on the set of the A-Team
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:52 pm to SPEEDY
Yes I train in baton rouge
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:53 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:54 pm to KBeezy
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Yes I train in baton rouge
that's cool man, i trained in muay thai for 2 years here in okc. is your gym open to the public for people to come check out? i wish i had never quit.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 5:59 pm to Brendoni
Yes we have a large gym though since by injury i have been sidelined
but we also have a good muay Thai instructor...
Recently won a unanimous decision over k1 max European champion in Thai rules
but we also have a good muay Thai instructor...
Recently won a unanimous decision over k1 max European champion in Thai rules
This post was edited on 10/1/09 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 10/1/09 at 6:03 pm to KBeezy
that's cool. we went to couture's gym while in vegas a few years ago. i'm thinking about training again, there are some pretty good BJJ gyms here so i might do that. my cousin lives near Baton Rouge and was thinking about training as well. does your gym have a website?
Posted on 10/1/09 at 7:16 pm to Brendoni
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"I was watching the video, and I kind of 'Babe Ruthed' it. I just called my shot and did it. I did what I wanted."
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Nelson said if anything, referee Herb Dean should have stopped the bout quicker.
"In the first round, I threw 44 shots," Nelson said. "Those were actually pretty hard, because afterward Kimbo ended up having a big hematoma. He looked like The Elephant Man.
"But then, the second round was more of a point like, 'Herb, I can do this all day long.' Herb, I think was afraid to lose his job the way he kept looking at me in the first round."
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"Kimbo, if he's going to fight in the heavyweight division, he won't be there very long," Nelson said. "He's a 245-pounder who goes down and stays at that 230-pound range. But if he gets down to 205 – the 205's aren't well-rounded. They're not well-rounded; they're more just strikers.
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And as for his doubters, Nelson said if you believe his skills are sub-par then you can use him as a tool to measure the talents of other heavyweight fighters.
"The biggest thing was just to expose myself to the UFC fans, introduce myself," Nelson said. "Really, I like to bounce off the keyboard warriors and talk about how much I suck.
"I'd like to be the official suck-meter for the UFC."
Posted on 10/1/09 at 8:16 pm to John Doe
I think it does :)
gladiatorsacademy.com
some years ago, we opened a flagship gym here in baton rouge.
Since then we have expanded to have 5 more gladiators.
Prarieville, Slidell (recently moved to mandeville), Lafayette, Shreveport, and San Antonio.
Of those, 3 gyms have UFC vets teaching and training
in them: baton rouge (me), Lafayette (tim credeur), and mandeville (rich clementi and Ricco rordiguez)
gladiatorsacademy.com
some years ago, we opened a flagship gym here in baton rouge.
Since then we have expanded to have 5 more gladiators.
Prarieville, Slidell (recently moved to mandeville), Lafayette, Shreveport, and San Antonio.
Of those, 3 gyms have UFC vets teaching and training
in them: baton rouge (me), Lafayette (tim credeur), and mandeville (rich clementi and Ricco rordiguez)
Posted on 10/1/09 at 8:25 pm to John Doe
Wow, just watched the fight... to be honest I was starting to believe the Kimbo hype, thanks Spike.
First, no matter how much of a personal interest story Kimbo might be, he will never succeed in the UFC. He essentially started too late in the game. For the shape he appears to be in, he just goes into shutdown mode once on the ground. Yes, Roy's weight.. yada, yada... Kimbo didn't even look like he was trying to escape. I was actually pretty excited when he was trying to use the cage to escape... best move of the night by Kimbo, imo.
Second, because Kimbo is such a huge personal interest story, he will probably be fighting somewhere for years to come.
Third, while KB and ETM are undoubtedly right that Kimbo needed to try and get off of his back, I am equally as sure that Kimbo and his corner thought the only chance he had was to hold Nelson until Ref Dean stood the two back up. Obviously this strategy failed, but Kimbo's ground game was so weak that this was clearly his best shot. I'm surprised he could only hold on as long as he did.
Lastly, it is a shame that Kimbo is such a ratings draw and such a shity MMA fighter. His only chance is to stand up and strike, and like many are clamoring for, people want to see him in fights against other pure strikers. Imo, two men standing in the ring only throwing knock-out blows is not what MMA is about and is essentially the "human cockfighting" that some people call MMA. I feel bad for Kimbo's rough life, but I don't care to see him "tough man fighting"... nor do I care to see him fight MMA.
First, no matter how much of a personal interest story Kimbo might be, he will never succeed in the UFC. He essentially started too late in the game. For the shape he appears to be in, he just goes into shutdown mode once on the ground. Yes, Roy's weight.. yada, yada... Kimbo didn't even look like he was trying to escape. I was actually pretty excited when he was trying to use the cage to escape... best move of the night by Kimbo, imo.
Second, because Kimbo is such a huge personal interest story, he will probably be fighting somewhere for years to come.
Third, while KB and ETM are undoubtedly right that Kimbo needed to try and get off of his back, I am equally as sure that Kimbo and his corner thought the only chance he had was to hold Nelson until Ref Dean stood the two back up. Obviously this strategy failed, but Kimbo's ground game was so weak that this was clearly his best shot. I'm surprised he could only hold on as long as he did.
Lastly, it is a shame that Kimbo is such a ratings draw and such a shity MMA fighter. His only chance is to stand up and strike, and like many are clamoring for, people want to see him in fights against other pure strikers. Imo, two men standing in the ring only throwing knock-out blows is not what MMA is about and is essentially the "human cockfighting" that some people call MMA. I feel bad for Kimbo's rough life, but I don't care to see him "tough man fighting"... nor do I care to see him fight MMA.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 9:30 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Kimbo didn't even look like he was trying to escape.
This
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Second, because Kimbo is such a huge personal interest story, he will probably be fighting somewhere for years to come.
He has made a name for himself and the money will be there for a while. He better get it while it lasts. I would do the same.
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Obviously this strategy failed, but Kimbo's ground game was so weak that this was clearly his best shot.
Not in that position. If he had a full guard on Nelson, then ok. You can cause a stalemate from there and get a standup. But as KBeezy detailed before, this is the last you want to do when caught in a bad position (side control, full mount). Just more things he needs to learn if he wants to survive.
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nor do I care to see him fight MMA
Agreed. He proved that he is still a backyard brawler and not much mroe.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 9:44 pm to KBeezy
wow, ricco is teaching at gladiators? I saw someone posted that he lived in La. but I had no idea you guys had him. Will he fight again? Still think his loss to Big Nog was one of the biggest robberies ever.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 9:51 pm to etm512
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He has made a name for himself and the money will be there for a while. He better get it while it lasts. I would do the same.
I agree. Good for him.. get paid while you can. Certainly has to be better than most of his alternatives. Strike while the iron is hot, imo.
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But as KBeezy detailed before, this is the last you want to do when caught in a bad position (side control, full mount). Just more things he needs to learn if he wants to survive.
Again and I think as someone else mentioned, his corner's training was do what feels natural (obviously a bad idea in these two situations). Secondly, do they never call stand up from the full mount position? I am of the opinion that, if he could have held on long enough, regardless of how difficult it may be to hold Nelson in that position... they would have been stood back up.
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He proved that he is still a backyard brawler
Undoubtedly. He looked the part prior to the fight, but he was clearly out matched. Like I said, he started too late in the game. If he had come up in the MMA world, he might be a forced to be reckoned with... but at this point, unless he is in the ring with another striker, I don't believe he stands a chance.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 10:00 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
I think what his corner was trying to tell him was go with what escape he felt comfortable with because if you remember, rampage didn't like one of the escapes being taught kimbo in the days leading up to the fight.
And a standup from such a dominant position is very rare, and can't be relied on
the top man would have to make it completely apparent he is not going to attempt to finish.
It's tough because no matter what you do, being on the bottom in that position it's virtually impossible to stalemate anyone. Because the top man has all the leverage to seperate and deliver enough damage to keep him there just when he feels the ref is getting impatient
And a standup from such a dominant position is very rare, and can't be relied on
the top man would have to make it completely apparent he is not going to attempt to finish.
It's tough because no matter what you do, being on the bottom in that position it's virtually impossible to stalemate anyone. Because the top man has all the leverage to seperate and deliver enough damage to keep him there just when he feels the ref is getting impatient
Posted on 10/1/09 at 10:38 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Secondly, do they never call stand up from the full mount position?
I've never seen it. The most neutralized I think that I have seen the guy that was in the mount for an extended time was Forrest when he fought Rampage (if I am remembering that fight correctly). And even then the thought of a stand up did not enter your head.
Posted on 10/1/09 at 10:39 pm to John Doe
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"Kimbo, if he's going to fight in the heavyweight division, he won't be there very long," Nelson said. "He's a 245-pounder who goes down and stays at that 230-pound range. But if he gets down to 205 – the 205's aren't well-rounded. They're not well-rounded; they're more just strikers.
I don't think Kimbo has 25 extra pounds he can lose. He looked pretty damn lean
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