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re: TUF 10: Season Long Thread

Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:31 pm to
Dana respects that he is a fighter but doesn't respect his skills as an MMA guy. He also was probably turned off by Nelson's performance. Something also tells me he doesn't like guys that look like Nelson succeeding (call it the Tank Abbott syndrome). To outsiders it doesn't make the sport look good when a fat frick can succeed.
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:33 pm to
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not once it's in a crucifix

not with a 264 lb guy on top of you


Ok. Crucifix would be damn near impossible to get out of. These guys wouldn't get to that point though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:33 pm to
nelson will never succeed at a high level anyway

he would die in a 5 round fight
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:36 pm to
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he would die in a 5 round fight


But he can dominate a 5 course meal
Posted by SmackDaniels
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:37 pm to
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Something also tells me he doesn't like guys that look like Nelson succeeding (call it the Tank Abbott syndrome).


I thought about this too, but it's not like the heavyweight division of boxing hasn't had it's share of fat asses.
Posted by John Doe
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:37 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:37 pm to
i mean imagine the fact that he should be fighting in LHW
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:38 pm to
To the real MMA fans it doesn't matter. It's the "curb appeal" type of thing to the borderline sports fan.
Posted by SmackDaniels
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:41 pm to
Yea I completely understand that. In reality, MMA still has a lot of growing up to do.

Posted by 3lsu3
Member since Sep 2004
4692 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:42 pm to
why wouldn't nelso cut all that flab ala joe riggs?
Posted by SmackDaniels
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Mar 2007
15491 posts
Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:44 pm to
If he ever got a trainer I imagine he could.

Posted by SageStLaurent
Georgetown Fan
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 10:50 pm to
I'd like to see Kimbo vs. Houston Alexander

This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 10:53 pm
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
12909 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 12:08 am to
me thoughts. I think Roy is a very talented fighter. He needs a trainer badly. If he could shed some of that flab, he'd actually be pretty good. Kimbo has a LOT of work to do. and good stoppage from Dean. I still enjoy the show even with the bad fights. Rampage is entertainment enough.
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 10/1/09 at 3:51 am to
There is a few escapes and a few escape strategies to that position, but kimbo obviously didn't know them...

Much better, however, to simply not get there.

Do not hug the head under any circumstance.


It's so funny how completely wrong a persons natural instincts are when it comes to fighting.


The worst thing you can do if someone side mounts you is to hug the head trying to keep him close.

The worst thing you can do if you are mounted is you pull them down to you gripping your hands behind their back.

Yet, without fail, it takes months to break new guys of these mistakes when they first start training
Posted by trstiger
Member since Feb 2007
2860 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 6:24 am to
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The worst thing you can do if someone side mounts you is to hug the head trying to keep him close.

The worst thing you can do if you are mounted is you pull them down to you gripping your hands behind their back.


How would you defend that? Cause I see many pro fighters do the same thing. And now that you say that, it never goes well once they do.
Posted by SNAPPERHEAD
Possumneck, Ms.
Member since Jan 2006
10057 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 7:04 am to
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Rampage is entertainment enough.


Rampage is hilarious. I have a feeling that Dana will throw Nelson to the Wolves if he wins the contract. Dana knows the fans don't want to see the kind of shitty fights he will be in. He does just enough to win by manipulating the rules. Those punches did zero damage. I'm sure the viewing audience was disappointed.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
21021 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 7:31 am to
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How would you defend that? Cause I see many pro fighters do the same thing. And now that you say that, it never goes well once they do.


Generally speaking, one of the most basic rules of BJJ is if you're on the bottom to create space in order to get into a better position or create a scramble. On the flip side, if you're on top, you want to smother like Nelson did and work to get into a more dominant position. Like I said before this isn't always true, but in Kimbo's position last night he needed to create some separation between himself and Nelson and work to get up. Not grab his head like KBeezy said.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30100 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 7:33 am to
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Not grab his head like KBeezy said.


Kbeezy knows what he is talking about? Who knew?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/1/09 at 7:35 am to
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There is a few escapes and a few escape strategies to that position

yeah but with a 264 lb guy on top?

and you can get out of a thai clinch b/c of your own lil natural move, so you're used to doing the impossible anyway
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/1/09 at 8:12 am to
I can't decide if that fight was the worst I've ever seen, or the best of the season....

Can we go back and actually give page the cameraman he wanted when they were picking teams
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