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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:47 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:47 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Knicks are talking about keeping Carmelo now.
Smart move by them. They're trying to drive up the price
Lol. He's a depreciating asset... his value isn't going to get any better.
Does your car gain value the more miles you drive it? What would you do with that car if the cost of it increased the longer you had it?
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:47 pm to whatiknowsofar
They don't have to play him at the end of games...
and don't quote me on this but I heard he lead the team in net rating last year..
Still a VERY lethal player in that offense. Even more so this year with the addition of Paul, Tucker, and Luc. I welcome ryno back with open arms if no deal gets done.
and don't quote me on this but I heard he lead the team in net rating last year..
Still a VERY lethal player in that offense. Even more so this year with the addition of Paul, Tucker, and Luc. I welcome ryno back with open arms if no deal gets done.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:48 pm to tiggerthetooth
Some of the people on this board are financially illiterate.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:50 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:I think Ryno has become underrated at this point because of his contract.
Still a VERY lethal player in that offense. Even more so this year with the addition of Paul, Tucker, and Luc. I welcome ryno back with open arms if no deal gets done.
He's not worth $18 million per year but he's still a very useful player.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:50 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Does your car gain value the more miles you drive it? What would you do with that car if the cost of it increased the longer you had it?
This is not the same thing as trying to trade for player that can win you a title.
If trading for Carmelo can win you a title, the trade should reflect that. If you want him that bad, prove it.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:53 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Engrish
take out the or an, doesn't matter which.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
He's still the best floor spacing big in the league. plays hard. Good team guy. Def won't need him to close games w the Tucker acquisition.
Ceiling is lower w ryno compared to melo.
But the floor is higher too.
Ceiling is lower w ryno compared to melo.
But the floor is higher too.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:54 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:1. Yes, it is the same. Do you know what an expiring contract is and why you can get good players for cheap?
This is not the same thing as trying to trade for player that can win you a title. If trading for Carmelo can win you a title, the trade should reflect that. If you want him that bad, prove it.
2. The trade isn't about how good the traded player makes your team. It's about what the team trading him is willing to take to get rid of him.
3. Smart franchises set their limit and don't go over it. Poorly-run tranches pay people like Omer Asik and Solomon Hill and Jrue Holiday ridiculous contracts and find themselves in cap trouble with barely even a d-league squad around their best players.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
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If trading for Carmelo can win you a title, the trade should reflect that. If you want him that bad, prove it.
This didn't go so well for a team that was hoping for the same result not to long ago, it doesn't matter how much he should be worth. It is all about what someone is willing to give.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:No, that's not how this works.
Does your car gain value the more miles you drive it? What would you do with that car if the cost of it increased the longer you had it?
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:59 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lol. He's a depreciating asset... his value isn't going to get any better.
true.
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Does your car gain value the more miles you drive it? What would you do with that car if the cost of it increased the longer you had it?
The difference is, the value in trading melo is to get assets. If you are getting parts that are not viable assets, why would you even trade it? Why would you handcuff yourself to a deal? It'd be a more financially sound decision to let him expire than take on an unmovable contract.
Its like the old 2yr cell phone deals. You pay $30/month for Sprint. Sprint fricking sucks, you're sick of it after 1.5yrs and want out. They tell you, too bad you have to pay a $300 cancellation fee or keep the line. You're better off keeping the line and letting it run out than pay it upfront.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:00 pm to whatiknowsofar
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This is not the same thing as trying to trade for player that can win you a title
He can't win the title by himself. He's valuable as a piece to an overall team.
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If trading for Carmelo can win you a title, the trade should reflect that. If you want him that bad, prove it.
This doesn't change the fact that his value is not rising. He's only useful to contending teams as he is right now. The only teams willing to take him on want to contend now... notice how there aren't any teams looking to compete 2 years from now knocking on his door? Because they know his value is diminishing.
The Knicks are SCREWED. They made their bed. It's hilarious so many people don't realize they put themselves in this position. The max 5 year deal to Melo at age 30 on a team clearly rebuilding was STUPID, just plain STUPID. Now you see what that deal has become for the team, a giant albatross. Screw the Knicks.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:07 pm to PrimeTime Money
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The trade isn't about how good the traded player makes your team.
Uh yeah it is
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It's about what the team trading him is willing to take to get rid of him.
And they shouldn't corner themselves into taking back shite contracts like Ryan Anderson to do so. They aren't winning this year anyways so why frick the future up anymore than what it already is?
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Poorly-run tranches pay people like Omer Asik and Solomon Hill and Jrue Holiday ridiculous contracts and find themselves in cap trouble with barely even a d-league squad around their best players.
I guess poorly run franchises trade rape for top 15 players too.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:09 pm to whatiknowsofar
In short if you're the Rox and you're the two seed this season and GS beats you during the season but only enough as to where you feel like you are one piece away, you'd be willing to do more to add a player like melo.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:16 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:No, that's a retard's way of looking at a trade. A trade is about more than just the talent of the players being traded. It's about contracts, value, cap sheets, and outlook. Not all teams are in the same situation and have the same goals.
Uh yeah it is
quote:The Knicks wouldn't be taking Ryan Anderson you macadamia nut. It would be a 3 or 4 team trade with NYK taking back young players and picks.
And they shouldn't corner themselves into taking back shite contracts like Ryan Anderson to do so. They aren't winning this year anyways so why frick the future up anymore than what it already is?
quote:The Kings are a poorly-run franchise as well. That trade was two retards coming to an agreement.
I guess poorly run franchises trade rape for top 15 players too.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I guess poorly run franchises trade rape for top 15 players too.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
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No, that's a retard's way of looking at a trade. A trade is about more than just the talent of the players being traded. It's about contracts, value, cap sheets, and outlook. Not all teams are in the same situation and have the same goals.
Of course those other factors are involved. In this case it is mainly about making your team better. You can't refute that. It's not a salary dump trade. It's not a set your team up to be successful later trade. It's a win now trade.
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The Knicks wouldn't be taking Ryan Anderson you macadamia nut. It would be a 3 or 4 team trade with NYK taking back young players and picks.
First of all, I don't even like macadamia nuts.
And if the Knicks don't end up with Ryno (which you don't know for a fact), the team that would have to take him didn't want to pay 18 mil for a stretch four that can't defend.
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That trade was two retards coming to an agreement.
You got me there. At least Dell was slightly less retarded haha.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:30 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:So the end result is that a trade will in some way benefit your organization, no?
No, that's a retard's way of looking at a trade. A trade is about more than just the talent of the players being traded. It's about contracts, value, cap sheets, and outlook. Not all teams are in the same situation and have the same goals.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:55 pm to whatiknowsofar
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And if the Knicks don't end up with Ryno (which you don't know for a fact), the team that would have to take him didn't want to pay 18 mil for a stretch four that can't defend.
portland will take him, but they want someone to take ML's contract
nobody wants that shite without a ton of compensation though
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:18 pm to htran90
The latest report is that Portland was never in the mix to take Ryno. They actually wanted Carmelo Anthony.
But there WAS a third team, but Woj never reported who that third team was that was willing to take Ryno.
Over on Clutchfans there is this lawyer who is an amateur capologist. He's very good with all that stuff and he determined the team that makes the most sense based on cap sheets is the Brooklyn Nets.
So the third team is most likely the Nets. They need a PF. Other teams keep matching their free agent offers even though they are overpaying big time. And they have the cap space for it. He said the player they were most likely looking to move and find a 4th team for is Andrew Nicholson.
If they could move Nicholson's $6 million per year contract it would offset a third of Anderson's $18 million per year contract and be like getting Anderson for $12 million per year which is right about what he should be worth.
But there WAS a third team, but Woj never reported who that third team was that was willing to take Ryno.
Over on Clutchfans there is this lawyer who is an amateur capologist. He's very good with all that stuff and he determined the team that makes the most sense based on cap sheets is the Brooklyn Nets.
So the third team is most likely the Nets. They need a PF. Other teams keep matching their free agent offers even though they are overpaying big time. And they have the cap space for it. He said the player they were most likely looking to move and find a 4th team for is Andrew Nicholson.
If they could move Nicholson's $6 million per year contract it would offset a third of Anderson's $18 million per year contract and be like getting Anderson for $12 million per year which is right about what he should be worth.
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