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Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:00 pm to htran90
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:00 pm to htran90
I don't think Hayward is overrated. I just thought his free agency was pumped higher because of it. Just my observation, though. I don't see him as a top 20 player....That being said, I am curious to see how he plays in a more up tempo system.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:01 pm to buckeye_vol
Crowder is one of the best bargain contracts in the NBA. But he is going to get paid very soon.
Hayward played in such a slow pace offense. He keeps improving, and I believe his peak will be about 25/5/5. I personally have him about 15th in the NBA, but he's easily top 25.
Hayward played in such a slow pace offense. He keeps improving, and I believe his peak will be about 25/5/5. I personally have him about 15th in the NBA, but he's easily top 25.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:02 pm to LSUTigKyl
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Boston is talking about getting rid of 3-4 players from their team or more - Olynyk already gone - and probably Smart and Crowder will be also be gone. So they brought in Hayward at the expense of 3 key players of their rotation.
Olynyk was/is about to be overpaid. They aren't trading both Smart and Crowder, it's most likely one or the other. They also have a log jam in the back court, so they may be trading either Bradley or Smart soon regardless of the Hayward situation. All three of Smart, Bradley, and IT are on the last year of their contracts.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:04 pm to Epic Cajun
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aAlex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA The Hawks and Jamal Crawford continue to discuss buyout. If bought out, sources say the Wolves, Cavs, Wizards, Bucks, Lakers are in the mix.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:05 pm to Epic Cajun
I personally think the Cavs should trade Love for a combo of Bradley and Smart/Crowder. It would be wildly unpopular but they need 3/D way more than they need Love.
I really would love to see Love traded to another EC team that is playoff bound just to see him play against the Cavs.
I really would love to see Love traded to another EC team that is playoff bound just to see him play against the Cavs.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:06 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:I agree, because there is only so many minutes and so many shots that can go around. I just don't think Hayward provides the value that is needed, especially given the strengths and weaknesses of their other star.
Sometimes it's better to gain talent, even if you're losing value. A team of 5 Jae Crowders is enormous value, because of his contract, but it's not beating a team of 2 highly paid all-stars and 3 scrubs. Talent wins out in the NBA, a dollar is better than 4 quarters.
I think Ainge really dropped the ball on the trades, particularly Butler. Not only is he a better player than Hayward, his defensive ability would address an issue, expecially since IT's usage and ball stopping could limit the offensive potential of teammates.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:07 pm to LSUTigKyl
quote:Since the Utah Jazz rarely come on national television, I'm sure you can probably count on one hand the number of games you've seen Gordon Hayward play in the past couple of years.
I don't think Hayward is overrated. I just thought his free agency was pumped higher because of it. Just my observation, though. I don't see him as a top 20 player....That being said, I am curious to see how he plays in a more up tempo system.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
Where would you rank him? Somewhere in the 15-20 range, right?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:09 pm to CocoLoco
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
I have league pass because I play a ton of draftkings, but Gordon/Jazz wasn't a great player for that either. That being said, I watched all of his playoff games - which I would place a little higher importance on. He's a good player. If you are forming a big three to win a title, I think he should be the number 3 of that three to be successful.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:12 pm to CocoLoco
I have no idea. Probably around 20 or so. I don't know I haven't made a list. I'm making a point about that guy not really seeing him play but it's not like I have watched a ton of Jazz games either.
But from what I've seen, he's a much better player than he was giving him credit for.
But from what I've seen, he's a much better player than he was giving him credit for.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:16 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Nobody talks about JJ Redick being a top 20 player and he was an amazing player coming out of college and he's had a good career in the league
No one talks about JJ Redick being a top 20 player? Why would they?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:17 pm to Goldrush25
That's the point. The other guy was saying Hayward is overrated because he's white
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:21 pm to Fus0623
Damn CP3, Harden, and Melo? That 2k team is going to be lit af.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:22 pm to Goldrush25
quote:I'm saying it's not like anybody has ever pumped up JJ Redick to top 20 status because he's white.
No one talks about JJ Redick being a top 20 player? Why would they?
He didn't even have much respect coming out of college and he was a star in college.
White American players have to earn their reputation in the league.
I would argue that if Gordon Hayward was black, he would have more hype behind him about being a 2-way star than he has now. We have in our mind the picture of a white player being a "high motor guy", "high IQ player", "brings his lunch pail", etc. and all of the other stereotypes. People aren't sure what to make of a white guy with the skills Gordon Hayward has and that makes them more skeptical of him because he's white.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:24 pm to PrimeTime Money
It seems like Hayward has improved quite a bit every year as well
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:27 pm to Fus0623
That's half of the banana boat.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:28 pm to j520
I don't get that at all seeing as we have about 5 point guards on the roster already plus a shooting guard that has a point guard build
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:34 pm to CocoLoco
He's 14th on my list.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:54 pm to CocoLoco
quote:For players that played at least 500 minutes, he are Hayward's statistical ranking:
Where would you rank him? Somewhere in the 15-20 range, right?
PER--27th
WS/48--18th
BPM--20th
RPM--29th
So I think he's clearly in the 20-25 range, based on last season's performance. And I guess that is clearly worthy of a max deal. The problem with an arbitrary maximum is that it makes players like Hayward who are on the bottom of the group of max worthy players, is that relative to the top players, they seem overrated by comparison.
For example, Hayward is far closer in value to Crowder than he is LeBron, so the roughly same salary as LeBron and 4.5 times the salary as Crowder makes him seem the most overpaid of the 3.
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