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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:01 am to fleaux
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:01 am to fleaux
quote:Certainly plausible. My main issue is I just don't think you can say it definitively, and if you can't, then it's not indisputable.
to me it looked like he was just going to the ground with the ball
And I may be putting words in the ref's mouth(or maybe he said it in his report, not sure?), but the ref basically eluded to saying that Dez did stretch for the goalline, but he just thought Dez didn't intend to stretch, which I think is kinda bizarre.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:01 am to shel311
No, I said sideline.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:05 am to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:
It's a pretty cut and dry rule
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:16 am to shel311
he wasn't stretching for the endzone, he was just falling to the ground...wtf?
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:18 am to shel311
quote:
Also that was mentioned long ago, it's not new to this thread.
yeah it was mentioned as soon as the play occurred. it's not some new conspiracy
i mean it's CLEAR that the ref's should not have reversed the call. there was not indisputable evidence that the ball even hit the ground, let alone indisputable evidence that he didn't make a football move (and complete the catch) prior to the ball allegedly hitting the ground
i hope we can all agree on THAT point
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:19 am to Salmon
quote:
he wasn't stretching for the endzone, he was just falling to the ground...wtf?
he turns his body and stretches in my view
if he kept falling he'd have rolled out of bounds with the ball in a different position entirely, possibly behind his head
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
there was not indisputable evidence that the ball even hit the ground
the ball hit the ground and popped up? quote:
let alone indisputable evidence that he didn't make a football move
falling to the ground is a football move?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:21 am to Salmon
For the life of me I can't understand how people are saying it's obvious that Dez dove. It looked like he was stumbling/falling to the ground the entire time to me.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
there was not indisputable evidence that the ball even hit the ground
Sure there is.
quote:
let alone indisputable evidence that he didn't make a football move (and complete the catch) prior to the ball allegedly hitting the ground
That I will agree with.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:22 am to Salmon
quote:
falling to the ground is a football move?
If a guy catches a pass, runs 45 yards and is tackled and the ball hits the turf, is that an incomplete pass? Sounds like it you zero in on all of the i's and t's in this rule it would be.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:23 am to NawlinsTiger9
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It looked like he was stumbling/falling to the ground the entire time to me.
this
and for SFP
here is defintive proof that the ball hit the ground and came loose
LINK
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:23 am to Salmon
quote:
the ball hit the ground and popped up?
his hand may have been under it. there is no camera angle that i've seen that shows the ball touching the ground
the person i was watching the game with (not a cowboys fan, either) immediately pointed that out live (i can't claim the point)
quote:
falling to the ground is a football move?
extending the ball is an example in the rulebook of a football move. dez did that in my eye
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:24 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:
If a guy catches a pass, runs 45 yards and is tackled and the ball hits the turf, is that an incomplete pass?
what?
Dez was running with the ball now? the frick?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
extending the ball is an example in the rulebook of a football move. dez did that in my eye
so with the gif that I linked, he does seem to be stretching right at the last minute, but if you do not retain possession through the "football move" is that still a catch?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:27 am to Salmon
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he is a defintive proof that the ball hit the ground and came loose
LINK
these have all been posted. none show the ball and the ground clearly touching. his hand is clearly under the ball and his forearm may be. the ball may have hit the ground also. i'm not sure. aka, it's disputable
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
"In our judgment he maintained possession but continued to fall and never had another act common to the game. We deemed that by our judgment to be the full process of the catch and at the time he lands and the ball hits the ground it comes loose as it hits the ground, which would make that incomplete. Although he re-possesses it, it does contact the ground when he reaches so the repossession is irrelevant because it was ruled an incomplete pass when he had the ball hit the ground."
So the ref's example states he "reaches", which i would think is a football move, considering he took 3 steps before reaching.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:28 am to Salmon
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
none show the ball and the ground clearly touching. his hand is clearly under the ball and his forearm may be.
really...?
this is grasping
that CLEARLY hits the ground
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:29 am to Salmon
quote:
Dez was running with the ball now?
How would he get from the 4 to the half yard line? Swimming?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:29 am to tigerskin
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no doubt to me he was going for the endzone
fine
but if he doesn't retain possession through the "football move" does that still count?
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