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re: They def got to upgrade the umpires in high school softball as well travel ball..idk where
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:40 pm to SuckerPunch
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:40 pm to SuckerPunch
Parents are out of control at all levels. I officiated for several years, the players were always great, as were 99% of the coaches, but the parents ruin it. I was out there because I enjoyed the game, couldn’t commit time wise to coaching any longer, but wanted to stay involved. Girls softball finally ruined it for me. Call an obstruction on a defensive player as the baserunner was diving back into 3rd and awarded home and you would’ve thought I shot a kid. It was amazing. Later on, a kid hits a homer, hits the foul pole and the parents thought it was like a goalpost in football. Just the brazen idiocy was something to behold. At that point, it was no longer worth my time. Look at what happened in Tuscaloosa last weekend on a simple foul ball call.
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Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:43 pm to TigerSooner
A parent attempted to assault me years ago after a sub varsity game. He got a broken collar bone dislocated shoulder, a concussion and lost some teeth in the process and was arrested upon discharge from the hospital.
People like you are the reason people are not getting into officiating.
Like a parent I saw at a game last week dog cussing and umpire for not calling a bunt that hit the plate and stayed on the plate a foul ball.
same up also called swinging strike 3 hit by pitch correctly later in game - K batter out dead ball.
People like you are the reason people are not getting into officiating.
Like a parent I saw at a game last week dog cussing and umpire for not calling a bunt that hit the plate and stayed on the plate a foul ball.
same up also called swinging strike 3 hit by pitch correctly later in game - K batter out dead ball.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 1:43 pm to TigerSooner
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What's your thoughts on the Saints no call? Did those refs deserve to be coddled by fans and the league because it was "just a judgement call?" Do they deserve to still have jobs? Did Bill Vinovich deserve to officiate the Super Bowl the following year following that debacle?
Check out the director of NCAA basketball officiating. He was on the floor for the Gonzaga/Northwestern debacle that yielded the “crying Nortwestern kid” meme.
Posted on 3/30/25 at 2:22 pm to TigerSooner
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What's your thoughts on the Saints no call? Did those refs deserve to be coddled by fans and the league because it was "just a judgement call?" Do they deserve to still have jobs? Did Bill Vinovich deserve to officiate the Super Bowl the following year following that debacle?
Those refs are paid hundreds of millions of dollars dumb frick.
Sorry. Hundreds of thousands.
You’re a piece of shite if you holler at guys basically donating their time to ref your 12 year old. Worry about your kid dumbass, not refs.
My 11 year old struck out yesterday looking. It was an obvious ball too far outside. Oh well. I told him, you knew he was going to call it a strike based on the first strike you looked at, so make the adjustment and try to foul it off and wait for a good pitch you can hit. We aren’t going to blame refs for your failures.
This post was edited on 3/30/25 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 3/30/25 at 4:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Those refs are paid hundreds of millions of dollars dumb frick.
NFL refs are paid hundreds of millions of dollars?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 8:51 am to InkStainedWretch
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Travel ball is a pestilence.
You're not wrong.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:08 am to KosmoCramer
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No one wants to put up with the verbal and sometimes physical abuse you quacks dish out. You're the problem.
The problem I see with umpires today is that they’re too soft. It causes them to be hesitant to make calls and generally to appear indecisive.
Umpires should be perfectionists who love the game but also combative egomaniacs who revel in the abuse by coaches and fans.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:10 am to RemouladeSawce
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There’s no path to “upgrading” - the demand exceeds the supply
Unfortunately the laws of economics don't follow. If they did, officials would be making a LOT more money.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:13 am to RemouladeSawce
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There’s nationwide shortages of good referees in all sports for a reason. There’s no path to “upgrading” - the demand exceeds the supply And it’s only going to get worse because today's kids/teens have even less interest in giving up their weekends for it. So there is no prayer of backfill. We're nowhere near the bottom of how bad it will get
Sorry, my local rec can’t afford to share more of the gate with umpires because they spend eleventy million dollars on turfing the fields so that 10 year olds can play baseball on a rainy Sunday in November.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:13 am to sta4ever
I cannot speak for travel ball... but for high school sports there is most certainly training being held. For football and baseball, the two sports I call, we start with training two months prior to the first scrimmage date, and meet weekly to review rules, game film, points of emphasis, and people management skills to deal with people like the OP. We have to take rules clinics annually, we take rules tests annually, we have to attend an in person camp every two years.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 9:19 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:18 am to TigerSooner
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Did Bill Vinovich deserve to officiate the Super Bowl the following year following that debacle?
Tell me you know nothing about officiating, without telling me you know nothing about officiating. Vinovich didn't make the call/no call. He was on the crew. So to put it into words you may understand, if the fry cook on your shift at Sonic dropped a basket of fries while you were on your rollerblades bringing me my food, should you lose your next shift?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:19 am to SaturdayTraditions
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I cannot speak for travel ball... but for high school sports there is most certainly training being held. For football and baseball, the two sports I call, we start with training two months prior to the first scrimmage date, and meet weekly to review rules, game film, points of emphasis, and people management skills to deal with people like the OP.
Is time spent on teaching the new umps to project confidence even when they aren’t feeling it?
I think a lot of the angst comes from the perception that they aren’t sure of their own calls. That’s been my observation watching high school ball the last couple of years.
They also need to be quicker to toss coaches.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:30 am to Earnest_P
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Is time spent on teaching the new umps to project confidence even when they aren’t feeling it?
I think a lot of the angst comes from the perception that they aren’t sure of their own calls. That’s been my observation watching high school ball the last couple of years.
They also need to be quicker to toss coaches.
Confidence can't be taught. It comes with reps. Unfortunately there is a large portion of officials that don't stay in long enough to get confident, and those that do often get accused of being "too stubborn", or "too arrogant."
As for tossing coaches, we have a very specific escalation process that is required prior to ejections. When an ejection DOES occur, we have to write it up for the state to review. The coaches also write up their version of events. However, if we don't follow our escalation process, the state has the authority to overturn an ejection from a punitive or further suspension standpoint.
Example: Coach is chirping balls/strikes from the dugout
1. Ignore
2. Acknowledge (this can be a look in his direction)
3. Warn- "Coach, this is your official warning, if you continue you will be subject to restriction or ejection."
4. Restrict to the Dugout
5. Eject
There are specific instances in the rule book that allow us to jump to #5 immediately, but by in large we must follow this process.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:45 am to SaturdayTraditions
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Confidence can't be taught
Projecting confidence can and should be taught. Most of the fans and half the coaches don’t really know the rules. Umpires have to at least seem they like they know them backwards and forwards.
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those that do often get accused of being "too stubborn", or "too arrogant
Who cares? Umpiring isn’t a popularity contest.
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As for tossing coaches, we have a very specific escalation process that is required prior to ejections. When an ejection DOES occur, we have to write it up for the state to review. T
Dang I didn’t know that. I guess I can see why it has to be that way, but I think that has some unintended negative consequences.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:54 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Travel ball is a pestilence. You're not wrong.
The everyone gets.A trophy movement in 90s created a perfect storm - it’s not as bad as cheer soccer or hoops yet
Fwiw I’ve never officiated travel ball
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:08 pm to Earnest_P
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Projecting confidence can and should be taught. Most of the fans and half the coaches don’t really know the rules. Umpires have to at least seem they like they know them backwards and forwards.
I think your assessment of how many coaches know the rules is too high. Especially at the high school level. I'd put that number closer to 25%. As for teaching how to project confidence, you have to be careful, because you don't want to become the Angel Hernandez type that makes wrong calls and then refuses to get help. We teach our guys to "make a call" and sell it when necessary, but if a coach asks you to get help, you get help. Our ultimate goal is to get the call right. If that takes me talking to my partner then so be it.
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Who cares? Umpiring isn’t a popularity contest.
Believe it or not, a lot of coaches do. They want someone who seems knowledgeable, but approachable. If you have the reputation as stubborn or arrogant, then you start the game already with a negative assumption from the coaches.
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Dang I didn’t know that. I guess I can see why it has to be that way, but I think that has some unintended negative consequences.
On the contrary, combined with the LHSAA/LHSOA making coaches meet us at the midway point of the line to discuss calls, I think a lot of this de-escalates a lot of situations. I can't speak statewide, but locally we have only had two ejections so far this year with two weeks left in the regular season. Historically we would be around 10-12 ejections by this point in the year. My first hand experience is that these steps are all good things. Coaches feel heard, and do so without as much emotion. All good things, because ultimately we don't WANT to eject a coach. We want everything to go smoothly and coaches to be able to stay in the game and help do what their job is, coach their kids. We don't want to be the story. We want to be an afterthought when someone thinks back on the game.
This post was edited on 3/31/25 at 2:10 pm
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