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re: The positive side of the CFB Playoff Fiasco
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:58 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:It's more like you get a BYE, but decent chance you don't make it or you play a game and control your faith. So there's still some incentive.
Imagine if in the NFL the division champs didnt get the byes, but the wildcard teams did. That essentially has happened and can continue to happen in college football
Now for LSU specifically this year, I think the only scenario they get left out in a 12-1 non conf champ scenario is if Baylor goes 13-0. Assuming they don't start trending down starting this week culminating with a bad loss in the CCG.
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:59 pm to castorinho
quote:Im not saying they get left out. I am saying bama gets in as well
Now for LSU specifically this year, I think the only scenario they get left out in a 12-1 non conf champ scenario is if Baylor goes 13-0. Assuming they don't start trending down starting this week culminating with a bad loss in the CCG.
I am saying they play an extra game over another team from their own conference due to beating that team
You cant argue there is sound logic in any of this boondoggle of a process college football has
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:01 pm to Glorious
Because we were injured heading into bv the SEC Champ game. Bama had a month to heal, which was their excuse to losing the IB.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:05 pm to lsupride87
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I should have started with the 12-0 Wisconsin example instead of auburn.
Yea that one was a rough call. The only argument that one can make is that we had no idea who Wisconsin was going into that game and apply the UCF logic. But as you noted, Wisconsin was ranked higher than Bama before the game
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:07 pm to Glorious
quote:Bingo. Thats where the entire house of cards came tumbling down that year for me.
But as you noted, Wisconsin was ranked higher than Bama before the game
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:17 pm to lsupride87
Makes you wonder why they didn’t just put Wisconsin @5 and saved face a bit. Nobody would complain too much if Wisconsin didn’t jump Bama after losing.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:21 pm to Glorious
quote:I believe Bama finished with the 6th toughest schedule, Wisconsin 14th.
Yea that one was a rough call. The only argument that one can make is that we had no idea who Wisconsin was going into that game and apply the UCF logic. But as you noted, Wisconsin was ranked higher than Bama before the game
i'd argue that should easily be offset by the fact that Wisconsin was 12-1 and Bama 11-1.
I'd honestly take it a step further though. Maybe not the best hypothetical, but hear me out, even if Wisconsin had 1 loss already and then dropped to 11-2. If they were ranked ahead of Bama before the title game, then lost a tough 27-21 title game while Bama didn't even play in one, I would absolutely not then move 11-2 Wisconson below 11-1 Bama. It just doesn't make sense to me to do so.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:23 pm to shel311
quote:It shouldnt make sense to anyone with a brain
It just doesn't make sense to me to do so.
Its simple if you want to keep conf champ games
"Teams participating in conf champ games can not fall below teams not playing in one"
Who would argue against that? Its completely logical
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:26 pm to athenslife101
I don’t subscribe to the “4 best teams” bullshite because there are many 2 and 3-loss teams annually who are stellar, results on the field and in the big games have to matter bc they reflect an ability to thrive under pressure against big-time teams and why the college football regular season means more than other sport. When people use the “4 best teams” argument, they basically just spit on the importance of the regular season and merits of winning their conference, it’s completely antithetical to basic notions of competitive sports.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:48 pm to karmew32
quote:
Only Bama was undeserving. Ohio State deserved both of their playoff berths
Philosophically should the 4 teams in the playoff be the best, or most deserving?
I don't think it's hard, put in the 4 best to find out who the very best (the champ) is at the end.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:57 pm to Cole Beer
quote:4 best resumes.
Philosophically should the 4 teams in the playoff be the best, or most deserving?
I don't think it's hard, put in the 4 best to find out who the very best (the champ) is at the end.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:31 pm to VermilionTiger
Auburn's problem after beating Bama was that they were banged up and not at full strength when they played UGA.
However I agree that since Auburn beat Bama the week before, and more decisively than the final score indicated, it was wrong to invoke an eye test and rate Bama higher even though Auburn had the head to head win.
It seems wrong that a team that lost its last game would be invited; that's very much the opposite of every game counts, since it shows the Iron Bowl that year counted for absolutely nothing.
However I agree that since Auburn beat Bama the week before, and more decisively than the final score indicated, it was wrong to invoke an eye test and rate Bama higher even though Auburn had the head to head win.
It seems wrong that a team that lost its last game would be invited; that's very much the opposite of every game counts, since it shows the Iron Bowl that year counted for absolutely nothing.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:34 pm to Bucks2TigerFan
I think it's weird that with the benefit of hindsight you are arguing the 2017 National Champion shouldn't have been in the 2017 playoffs.
Maybe you should re-adjust if you think someone else should have been in and realize if there was a fraud in the final 4 it clearly wasn't Alabama.
Obviously Clemson didn't look like a top 4 team once they faced a quality defense.
Maybe you should re-adjust if you think someone else should have been in and realize if there was a fraud in the final 4 it clearly wasn't Alabama.
Obviously Clemson didn't look like a top 4 team once they faced a quality defense.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:43 pm to Bucks2TigerFan
quote:
It seems wrong that a team that lost its last game would be invited; that's very much the opposite of every game counts, since it shows the Iron Bowl that year counted for absolutely nothing.
Yeah in hindsight it counted for nothing but if UGA hadn't won the SECCG, then it was part of Auburn's ticket to play its' way into the playoff.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:41 pm to JB Bama
It's the old most deserving vs. best team argument.
Sometimes the best team isn't the most deserving, or, put another way, if you can't step up and win the game that counts, even if you were the better team, why do you think you deserve a do over?
I guess every game doesn't count in Bama Land.
Sometimes the best team isn't the most deserving, or, put another way, if you can't step up and win the game that counts, even if you were the better team, why do you think you deserve a do over?
I guess every game doesn't count in Bama Land.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:49 pm to Arch Madness
quote:Auburn should have just refused to play in the SECCG.
Yeah in hindsight it counted for nothing but if UGA hadn't won the SECCG, then it was part of Auburn's ticket to play its' way into the playoff.
It served no purpose for them.
The only thing it offered was a potential loss and a fall in rank.
They were already in the top 4. The only ones threatening at that time weren’t even playing that week (Bama).
That is where the fault in all of this lies.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 4:10 pm to athenslife101
quote:There are only 2 teams who have looked really good. OSU and LSU. And then Clemson is undefeated but has been under the radar. If it ends up OSU vs LSU in the National Championship game, you'll think back that there were only 2 good teams that mattered.
This year, there are so many teams that look so good
Posted on 11/13/19 at 4:25 pm to shel311
quote:
believe Bama finished with the 6th toughest schedule, Wisconsin 14th.
i'd argue that should easily be offset by the fact that Wisconsin was 12-1 and Bama 11-1.
I'd honestly take it a step further though. Maybe not the best hypothetical, but hear me out, even if Wisconsin had 1 loss already and then dropped to 11-2. If they were ranked ahead of Bama before the title game, then lost a tough 27-21 title game while Bama didn't even play in one, I would absolutely not then move 11-2 Wisconson below 11-1 Bama. It just doesn't make sense to me to do so.
Wisconsin also played 9 conference games to 8 played by Alabama and didn’t have the FCS patsy on their schedule.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:49 pm to VABuckeye
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Wisconsin also played 9 conference games to 8 played by Alabama and didn’t have the FCS patsy on their schedule.
If Alabama's schedule was harder than Wisconsins then it doesn't matter that they played one less conference school and it doesn't matter that they played an FCS school. Also what's the difference in playing an FCS school and Northwestern?
Furthermore, with the benefit of hindsight it's quite easy to see it was the right choice as Alabama rolled through the playoffs and won the title, and Wisconsin beat a directional Michigan school by 1 score in their bowl game.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:55 pm to lsupride87
quote:Well it was Bama, so you know.....
Wait, I want to hear this logic So when 11-1 Ohio state, who lost to 11-2 Big ten champ Penn state deserved to be in over Penn st But, in 2017 11-1 Bama didnt deserve to be in over 11-2 Big Ten Champ Ohio State?
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