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re: **The Official 2011 NFL Draft Thread**
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:27 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:27 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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If Mark Ingrzm can produce like a Ray Rice then everyone's going to be happy.
i would be
ingram doesn't have rice's elusivity or speed, so i doubt he can produce the big plays rice does
and rice was picked in the 2nd
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Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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are you counting 1st and 2nd round RBs who ended up on other teams as 1st and 2nd round RBs for this argument? like in 2009, you're counting thomas jones as a "1st round RB" ?
Does it matter if he switched teams? He has clearly lived up to being a 1st round draft pick.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:32 pm to ZTiger87
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Peterson, Johnson, MJD
end of argument right now, and MJD is falling off
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Mendenhall and Rice
mendenhall? frick no
rice? on the verge, but wasn't that great last year. only 4.0 ypc
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Charles if you count 3rd round backs.
he can't carry the load himself...at least he's not proven to be able to. i do love me some charles
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McFadden and McCoy if they have repeat years.
huge if for DMac. he was pretty useless his first 2 years and was the highest paid RB in the NFL not named Reggie Bush
McCoy barely got 1k yards
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:33 pm to ZTiger87
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Does it matter if he switched teams?
yes, it does
the saints should have signed thomas jones (a "1st round RB") last offseason
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He has clearly lived up to being a 1st round draft pick
so if ingram fails for the saints, but works out for another team, this means the saints moves tonight were good, in hindsight?
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wow we are using elusivity instead of elusiveness now or something?
Either way I think he can be a similar back. Peyton Hillis, Ray Rice, Michael Turner ish.
Again, if he produces, does it matter?
Either way I think he can be a similar back. Peyton Hillis, Ray Rice, Michael Turner ish.
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and rice was picked in the 2nd
Again, if he produces, does it matter?
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:35 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Peyton Hillis, Ray Rice, Michael Turner ish.
these 3 guys are all pretty differnet
rice is a small slasher/speed back without much power
hillis is a low COG pounder
turner is an upright big back who used to have homerun speed
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
let me add this. charles and rice had a rare factor (gamebreaking speed and elusivity). DMac and AD did as well.
ingram lacks this rare trait. it devalues him
ingram lacks this rare trait. it devalues him
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Peyton Hillis, Ray Rice, Michael Turner ish
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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bush is not a real piece in our running game, so i doubt he has any effect on anything to do with ingram
True, but he is added depth if other guys were to go down.
But I agree.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so if ingram fails for the saints, but works out for another team, this means the saints moves tonight were good, in hindsight?
If Ingram has a similar career to Jones then it means the Saints made the right pick but failed in developing him or failed putting him in the right system.
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rice? on the verge, but wasn't that great last year. only 4.0 ypc
4.0 ypc is good. Add in his pass catching and he is a franchise type RB.
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he can't carry the load himself...at least he's not proven to be able to. i do love me some charles
For a full season he hasn't. But for most of the 2nd half of 09 and at times last year he proved he could.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ingram lacks this rare trait. it devalues him
Vision. Power. Knack for the Endzone.
A pro scout might say something different but he has some rare traits.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm just going to throw this out there. I am pissed we didn't get an elite 5 tech. Belichick made a mistake and it cost us pretty badly.
Posted on 4/28/11 at 11:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Vision. Power.
not rare for power backs in NFL systems. requirements
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Knack for the Endzone.
dude....dude
Posted on 4/29/11 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
The Saints gave me the biggest boner last night.
Posted on 4/29/11 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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dude....dude
Don't dude me, when you are dropping terms like elusivity around here.
Posted on 4/29/11 at 8:33 am to iwyLSUiwy
there isn't really such a thing. that's a product of good fortune (to end up near the end zone a bunch)
it reminds me of the gator fans who used to say tebow was a better runner than vince b/c he had more rushing TDs
it reminds me of the gator fans who used to say tebow was a better runner than vince b/c he had more rushing TDs
Posted on 4/29/11 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Well Ridley is the only person you came up with that fit your "we could have waited till the 5th to get a guy just as good" argument. Seeing that he played for the Tigers it wasn't a hard one to pull. It shows that you, like me, are not a pro scout. So there aren't guys in the later rounds that you have truly evaluated, you just know that there is some that you think are as good as Ingram. (You under value 1st round RB's and yet look away from the large number of 5th to 7th round duds) That's flawed reasoning that really doesn't hold any water in a serious debate.
Posted on 4/29/11 at 8:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Well Ridley is the only person you came up with that fit your "we could have waited till the 5th to get a guy just as good" argument.
that's off the top of my head
there are plenty of guys who were productive in college who have similar physical ability
bradford, royster, helu, evans. i'm curious if williams falls to the late 2nd
Posted on 4/29/11 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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bradford, royster, helu, evans. i'm curious if williams falls to the late 2nd
I'm sorry but Royster and Helu Jr aren't even in the same ballpark. They are the definition of the run of the mill/possibly be a back-up/highest potential is 3rd down back.
Jordan Todman is a guy that would be a good comparison IMO. Though he's not as strong and elusive and I doubt he will be around in the 5th.
Posted on 4/29/11 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
They got Ivory as an undrafted free agency. They didn't want to have to chance it anymore. They went with what they thought was stability. Not to mention they completely solidified their backfield and bolstered the DLine with Cam Jordan.
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