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re: The Failure of Travel Ball

Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:46 pm to
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You aren't going to get better playing in your local recreation league. You have to get out and play teams.


Nah
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:47 pm to
Medium size school in the vicinity of Ellick
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:48 pm to
We had a Japanese exchange student for a year living with us when I was a freshman in HS. He played baseball over there. He could not believe how little we practiced. He said they would get out of class about 3:45 and go straight to practice. Roughly 2.5-3 hours. Everyday.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5488 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:59 pm to
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Travel ball prices out the poorer kids is always the argument but the same thing isn’t said for AAU basketball.


If kids still played sandlot baseball the way black kids play basketball at public courts, and if baseball was as easy to practice as basketball is that might be a good comparison.

Also, I always assumed that AAU wasn’t quite as “pay to play” as travel ball can be. Is that wrong?
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
54447 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:01 pm to
which brother is this
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
13023 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:13 pm to
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And how much is that setting you back?


What does that have to do with anything? Do you think the coaches in DR Coach the kids there for free? They do not. They get paid. Very little while the kid is young, but if a kid makes it, most of their signing bonus goes to the coach(es) who taught him the game. Don’t take my word for it. Research it yourself.

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1. Cuts out too many kids 2. Too many games / too few practice reps at a young age 3. Poor coaching, lack of fundamentals instruction and reps at a young age.


I don’t disagree with you at all on these points. But some more than others.

I know some programs like Canes and Marucci are basically team factories. They use volume to build top tier teams to generate attention through wins, which in turn, gets more parents to fork over more money. It is big business.

And a lot of the above average players play every weekend.

Our program does not turn anyone away. However, if a kid is not ready for the jump to select ball, he makes the practice squad and gets all of the same coaching a paying team member gets. That’s right, our coach will not charge any kid wanting to get better if he is willing to put in the work.

My son plays every other weekend… 2 guaranteed games on Saturday. Sunday, play until you lose. He was one and done this past weekend. 2 weeks ago, they played 3 games on Sunday (so 5 for the weekend).

They have died practice Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Bullpen and catcher practice every Wednesday. Off weekends, he still has long toss/arm care.

Your comment about lack of fundamental instruction at a young age 100% relates to rec ball and not select ball. The problem is most programs stop at fundamentals. They aren’t teaching beyond fundamentals. Multiple arm slots, proper footwork, baseball IQ… plenty more, are ignored because too much emphasis is placed on exit velocity and throwing velocity and curve balls.

Kids physically develop at different ages. Power varies. But baseball IQ, footwork, glove presentation, and arm slots can, and should, be taught at a very early stage. THAT is where the DR type kids have an advantage. Those aren’t necessarily fundamentals, but more advanced concepts of fielding.

Sorry, but ole Joe who played high school ball in 1992 isn’t normally equipped to teach those concepts to his kid and his buddies kids.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2838 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:13 pm to
The “pay to play” moniker isn’t one size fits all. My son’s team costs me $500 for an entire year and we do a couple football pools to cover entry fees. We play against teams that cost several thousand to be a part of. It all depends on what you want to do. And the money spent doesn’t always translate to success. We get absolutely destroyed by some of these high dollar clubs and we have also beaten a few. There’s way too many variables when it comes down to it. Baseball like any sport tends to condense itself as kids get older and fall off to do other things. I think a big reason latin american players tend to do better is because you can lock these kids in at 16 for a measly $20000 signing bonus. American kids want the guarantees down the road in a large signing bonus or they’ll gladly go to college instead and get an education out of it. The pressure to make it is much less and so is the drive.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
11747 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:16 pm to
What does a video trying to convince people that the WBC is relevant have to do with travel ball? Seriously? Its a bunch of anecdotal tribal shite about countries who go all in on the World Baseball Classic.

Japan is bat shite crazy over the WBC? They treat sumo wrestling as a religious experience too.

Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Georgia
Member since Nov 2011
4303 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:41 pm to
I want going to do the travel ball thing when my son was 12. He just didn’t love the game enough for me to invest the time and money into it for me to have a travel ball son. He picked up competitive shotgun that year and was on a SCTP team until this year. He is 17 and a junior now and shoots solo almost every weekend in NSCA concurrent competitions within 2 hours of our house. Much better growth for him as he often gets squadded with Master Class or AA guys and they teach him stuff during the round. Kind of free lessons in a way. He has 8 NSCA events under his belt and has punched up to B Class. I love baseball and he loves watching college and MLB but just wasn’t passionate enough as a player to justify the travel ball life. But he is obsessed and passionate about competing in sporting clays, Super Sporting, and FITASC competitions.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
5488 posts
Posted on 3/15/23 at 6:16 pm to
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They get paid. Very little while the kid is young, but if a kid makes it, most of their signing bonus goes to the coach(es) who taught him the game. Don’t take my word for it. Research it yourself.


First off, i don’t disagree with your overall points and my kid is on a low level select team, so I don’t just hate on it.

But what about what you posted that I quoted above? They are getting paid, but it looks nothing like what we have here, where parents have to fork over money starting at a young age to have any hope of their kid getting a good foundation.

What I want is for MLB to be investing money nationwide in providing low cost high level instruction (by training the trainers) to more kids from more backgrounds. I think the sport is going to “die” if something doesn’t change soon.
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