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re: The Cuse 2/3 is like the option in CFB
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:09 am to KosmoCramer
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:09 am to KosmoCramer
Well for starters there's not a chance in hell any of my kids are playing college ball and I think we've got one that might have a chance at a HS team...we work on the man concepts via drills and the zone practice, and we win games because we out hustle teams. You don't see laziness in ours, or they're riding the bench.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 12:11 am
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Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:10 am to supatigah
quote:
ESA
I coached there too
Bourg's first four years
I probably know you
Dave brought man to man push to the baseline principles (dean smith way) to mike at ESA from his time coaching girls HS in Carolina. Until then we all ran push to the middle of the floor like we had Hakeem playing center
did you ever ref?
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:10 am to Golfer
I guess I really don't have a problem with it, but I always saw it as a crutch when teams used it against us, and it frustrated the frick out of me.
So maybe that's why you use it 
So maybe that's why you use it
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:13 am to KosmoCramer
quote:
You need to learn to play man-to-man. It's a fundamental concept that has applications when you move to zone. It's the backbone of basketball defense, and it's what the majority of high schools and colleges run, so it's pretty important to know. At least in my opinion. I understand that learning to play zone is a great skill too, but I think it can easily make players lazy defenders if they use the zone as a crutch at a young age.
Even if kids play zone for their teams they still play man-to-man defense at least 90% of the time if they are serious players since nobody ever plays zone during pick up games.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:14 am to Golfer
To play man you have to commit completely to it, then you have to have kids that understand basketball and have the desire to fight their man for every spot on the floor. That is tough to find 5 kids in jr high that can do that
As soon as you play a team with a guard that can get to any spot on the floor he wants you are screwed.
Ironically STM this year won 4A because Danny had those kind of kids and they committed to man more than they ever had in the past. They just locked teams down and used zone and zone pressure in spots to make runs
As soon as you play a team with a guard that can get to any spot on the floor he wants you are screwed.
Ironically STM this year won 4A because Danny had those kind of kids and they committed to man more than they ever had in the past. They just locked teams down and used zone and zone pressure in spots to make runs
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:14 am to KosmoCramer
It also helps that these kids can't make 3's so we can pack it in somewhat and clog the lanes.
I put my best forward at the bottom right and the best guard at the top left of the zone.
I put my best forward at the bottom right and the best guard at the top left of the zone.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:15 am to Carson123987
Yeah
Just finished my last season reffing LHSAA, moving to Houston this summer
you figured it out
I loved my time at ESA, great kids, great program some of my best memories in coaching
Just finished my last season reffing LHSAA, moving to Houston this summer
you figured it out
I loved my time at ESA, great kids, great program some of my best memories in coaching
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:18 am to Preys on Gumps
I was so unimpressed when I saw us light Syracuses zone up back in December, Indiana just sucks or they got better, not sure which as Cuse struggled reg season.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:18 am to supatigah
whew, finally figured it out
We've played together at open gym before.
We've played together at open gym before.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:23 am to Carson123987
Teaching executing man is do much more difficult than teaching zone. It seems like every year I coach my go to defense changed. One year it was man. Another year it was 2-3, another year it was a1-2-2, and this year toward the back end of the season we played a 1-3-1 and trapped the corners. My offensive and defensive go to sets change with my personel.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:26 am to lsu480
[quote]man-to-man defense at least 90% of the time if they are serious players since nobody ever plays zone during pick up games.[/quo
Too many kids think pick up man defense is real man defense.the lack of help side help and rotation is incredible in todays game.
Too many kids think pick up man defense is real man defense.the lack of help side help and rotation is incredible in todays game.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:27 am to UltimateHog
Knight ate LSU's 2-3 alive when Shaq was a junior in the 1992 NCAAs with a short corner offense. I don't understand why more teams don't use that any more
I can't remember the guy's name, black dude that wore a tan knee brace just sitting in the short corner and hitting 15ft jumpers over Shaq. Then they would run low high when Shaq came out too far and killed LSU's middle. It was a clinic
Just found it:
LINK
Calbert Chaney was knee brace dude, Matt nover and Alan Henderson were the low-high connection
I can't remember the guy's name, black dude that wore a tan knee brace just sitting in the short corner and hitting 15ft jumpers over Shaq. Then they would run low high when Shaq came out too far and killed LSU's middle. It was a clinic
Just found it:
LINK
Calbert Chaney was knee brace dude, Matt nover and Alan Henderson were the low-high connection
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:29 am to supatigah
Drives me nuts when teams won't flash midfle of zone defenses. I pull my hair out watching lsu zone offense
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:37 am to fightingtiger2335
We play old man 2-3 bball on Sundays and there is a 50+ dude that sits in the short corner and kills us
watching LSU and ULL basketball takes days off my life
watching LSU and ULL basketball takes days off my life
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:38 am to GeauxWarrior12
quote:This. Many people think man to man is easy to teach because you just follow your man all over the court. Man is almost like a zone in a way... when the ball is two men away, you play off your man to possibly play help defense. When picks are set, you have to decide how you want to play the screens. When playing help defense, players need to rotate and talk. Then you can run traps, ambush the center down low, etc. Rotating after adding that stuff can turn to crap in a hurry.
Teaching executing man is do much more difficult than teaching zone.
Man to man is difficult to run correctly, and it can turn into a mess real quick if you are playing a good offense.
This post was edited on 3/29/13 at 12:41 am
Posted on 3/29/13 at 12:45 am to fightingtiger2335
quote:
Too many kids think pick up man defense is real man defense.the lack of help side help and rotation is incredible in todays game.
Maybe today that is true but when I was a kid we always called out picks, switched on pick and rolls and provided help side D even when playing at the parks,
Posted on 3/29/13 at 8:34 am to lsu480
Stat of the game:
quote:
Jim Lefko ?@jimlefko 2h
Key IU-Cuse stat: Syracuse's starting backcourt of Michael Carter-Williams and Brandon Triche outscored Yogi Ferrell and Jordan Hulls, 38-0.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:13 am to Preys on Gumps
I woke up hoping that the 2-3 zone that Cuse uses was getting a little love. That shite is tough when you're not really used to it. Hell, it's tough when you're used to it too.
Posted on 3/29/13 at 9:17 am to Carson123987
quote:
we only ran 2-3 against teams that tremendously outsized us in high school. my coach was from the danny coaching tree so we ran 12 and 42 almost exclusively
I remember both of those defenses y'all ran. I remember y'all trapping ball screens too. I also remember us using that to our advantage the first time we played y'all senior year and getting up by like 20 in the first half
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