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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:02 pm to
Posted by Caplewood
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:02 pm to
Obviously just Rooney rule stuff
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:13 pm to
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He's been terrible in post-season four separate times now. I'm not so sure you can blame that on a "slump" unless you are saying its a permanent (as of now) post-season slump.

Freddie Freeman, career post-season:

14 games

61 plate appearances.

2 RBI


watch out there is some yankees fan here who thinks freddie is the shite. was arguing with me last night in astros thread. freddie hit .200 this NLDS and has only hit .250 in all NLDS he has played in. he had 1 great playoff game in that WC. that is it.

2 RBIs fn trash for a #3 hole hitter
This post was edited on 10/11/19 at 7:14 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:24 pm to
I really think you may be mildly retarded
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:25 pm to
1. Everyone out-of-contract or club-option, turn down.

2. Blank check offered to Gerrit Cole.

2. Out-bid everyone else for Yasmani Grandal

3. ...

4. Profit
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:25 pm to
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I really think you may be mildly retarded


Pretty much a near-universal human condition.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:30 pm to
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2. Blank check offered to Gerrit Cole.



Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 7:36 pm to
Cole is a pipe dream imo
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 8:28 pm to
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Cole is a pipe dream imo




yep but one can dream
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 9:58 pm to
Of fricking course Anibal Sanchez is about to no-hit the Cardinals.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/11/19 at 10:14 pm to
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Of fricking course Anibal Sanchez is about to no-hit the Cardinals.




1 hitter

great game by him

cards are terrible

they cannot beat dirty sanchez the big 3 will arse rape them. mad max, stupendous strasburg abd killer corbin.

cards are dogshit. snit should be fired for losing to them and blowing it.
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 3:17 pm to
Bowman on the offseason:

-Donaldson to receive QO; Braves obviously in play to re-sign him

-Braves have "some level of interest" in re-signing Joyce, Martin and O'Day

-Seems to be a decent chance Braves will exercise Flowers' $6M option due to McCann retirement and Jackson's inability to prove he can be counted on so far

-Teheran option could go either way. $12Mis in line with market value and possesses value as back end starter and could possibly flip him after picking up the option

-Braves could consider bringing Markakis back as a platoon bat

-Shane Greene could be a non tender candidate due to the unsustainable peripherals. Braves may not want to commit $20M to Melancon and Greene in 2020

-Catcher and SP would seem to be the main focus in the offseason. Zack Wheeler and Madison Bumgarner listed by name as targets
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 4:21 pm to
Wouldn’t mind resigning Donaldson

Joyce, Martin and O’day? Ehhh only if they are super cheap

I’d dump melancon and Greene. Not really impressed with either of them

Why bring back Flowers? He is awful. Good at framing. shite at hitting and everything else

If you’re not gonna put Teheran on the NLDS roster then why keep him? Drop him and use the money elsewhere.

Markakis time in Atlanta has run its course. It’s time to move on. Especially with Pache and Waters coming up next year

I don’t want wheeler or bumgarner. Maybe Madison if he was an economical signing which he wouldn’t be.

Main objective SHOULD be... finding winners. Clutch guys. Big time performers. Need more pitching. It just wasn’t good enough. Need a Catcher too. Wish the team would make a splash and really go after it. Just like Houston did once they got close. But they won’t unfortunately
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

Bowman on the offseason:

-Donaldson to receive QO; Braves obviously in play to re-sign him

-Braves have "some level of interest" in re-signing Joyce, Martin and O'Day

-Seems to be a decent chance Braves will exercise Flowers' $6M option due to McCann retirement and Jackson's inability to prove he can be counted on so far

-Teheran option could go either way. $12Mis in line with market value and possesses value as back end starter and could possibly flip him after picking up the option

-Braves could consider bringing Markakis back as a platoon bat

-Shane Greene could be a non tender candidate due to the unsustainable peripherals. Braves may not want to commit $20M to Melancon and Greene in 2020

-Catcher and SP would seem to be the main focus in the offseason. Zack Wheeler and Madison Bumgarner listed by name as targets


None of these moves make the team better than what they were this year. AA and the owners needs to look in the mirror and decide if they want to open the checkbook and be serious contenders or not. The party line of financial flexibility is bullshite if you never actually use that flexibility.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 4:48 pm to
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Zack Wheeler and Madison Bumgarner listed by name as targets


i will take either one. both were top 20 pitchers all year in the NL sagarin rankings. unless we are getting strasburg or cole. who ya gonna get then? or do we bring up kids from farm? are we not in win now mode?

what about holes in lineup?
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 4:53 pm to
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Markakis time in Atlanta has run its course. It’s time to move on.


agreed
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 4:55 pm to
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i will take either one. both were top 20 pitchers all year in the NL sagarin rankings. unless we are getting strasburg or cole. who ya gonna get then? or do we bring up kids from farm? are we not in win now mode?



Neither move the needle, if this team is serious about competing, they need a 1A starter to go with Soroka as 1B.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Wally Sparks
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 5:01 pm to
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AA and the owners needs to look in the mirror and decide if they want to open the checkbook and be serious contenders or not. The party line of financial flexibility is bull shite if you never actually use that flexibility.


Unless you’re trying to use the team as a real estate company.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 6:00 pm to
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Joyce, Martin and O’day? Ehhh only if they are super cheap


All 3 should be cheap outside of Martin who could get a multi year deal.

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I’d dump melancon and Greene. Not really impressed with either of them


Not dumping Melancon unless you give up something pretty good. No one is taking him on for $14M.

quote:

Why bring back Flowers? He is awful. Good at framing. shite at hitting and everything else


There are a lot worse options out there. You let Flowers walk and don't get Grandal and you are likely in a world of hurt. I don't particularly love Flowers but very risky to let him go in this market.

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If you’re not gonna put Teheran on the NLDS roster then why keep him? Drop him and use the money elsewhere.


A lot of value in what he can provide over 162. I don't think he is on the OD roster but may be able to flip him to a team looking for an innings eater like Washington did with Roark last winter.

quote:

Markakis time in Atlanta has run its course. It’s time to move on. Especially with Pache and Waters coming up next year


Agree 100%

quote:

I don’t want wheeler or bumgarner. Maybe Madison if he was an economical signing which he wouldn’t be.



They need a starter pretty badly. Who would you target?

quote:

Main objective SHOULD be... finding winners. Clutch guys. Big time performers. Need more pitching. It just wasn’t good enough. Need a Catcher too. Wish the team would make a splash and really go after it. Just like Houston did once they got close. But they won’t unfortunately


Braves payroll has been increasing pretty substantially last couple years. They were pushing $140M this season and Houston is at $160.

Holes in OF, C, 3B, SP and bullpen and about $50-$60M to fix it. How would you go about it?
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:10 pm to
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Holes in OF, C, 3B, SP and bullpen and about $50-$60M to fix it. How would you go about it?



As risky as it may sound, I think you have to bank on one of Riley/Pache/Waters being in an OF with Inciarte and Acuna next season. 3B, bring back Donaldson.

C, I don't want to tie up too much money as we wait for Langeliers. So bring in another Suzuki/McCann type to platoon with Flowers.

SP, as stupid as it may sound, we have to go in trying to bring in Strasburg or Cole. We just have to. That's our most glaring hole. Freddie is 30 now, so we have to strike while he is still in his prime as Ozzie and Acuna continue to improve.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 10/13/19 at 7:27 pm to
If you re-sign Donaldson and sign Cole you can't do anything else. That's $55M+ without a doubt. Leaves you with

Acuña 7
Albies 2
Freeman 3
Donaldson 5
Joyce/Duvall/Markakis 9
Flowers 2
Inciarte 8
Swanson 6

Camargo
Culberson
Wieters?
Joyce/Duvall

Cole
Soroka
Folty
Fried
Wright

Melancon
Greene
Webb
Minter
Newcomb
Jackson
Dayton
Sobotka

If you go this route you better hope that starting rotation stays healthy and ideally Riley/Pache/Waters/Anderson and one of the young catchers all take a big step forward. A bounceback year from Camargo would really help in a scenario like this too.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 7:31 pm
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