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re: The ATL Thread: Offseason Edition
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:04 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:04 pm to Robot Santa
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Are you ever going to drop this shite?
Nope
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Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:10 pm to The White Lobster
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I am not a fan of paying Uggla $10 million to be an above average hitter for another team.
I think BJ rebounds.
I'm fine with bringing Hudson back. Think it's our best option. Roll with Teheran/Minor/Medlen/Beachy/Hudson. Kimbrel, Walden, Carpenter, Avilan, Wood, maybe Venters makes a solid pen, results probably won't be as good though. No veterans needed please!! Will miss you, O'Flaherty. I will always love you
1.) I think the #1 priority has to be making a trade for an ace. A rotation of Teheran/Minor/Medlen/Beachy/Hudson doesn't get you passed the 1st round. The Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants, all have a big arm they can depend on to win a game. While our rotation is ver good, it is made up #2 and #3 starters designed to win over the long run of the regular season but lose every year in the playoffs.
Not to mention, it doesn't really make sense to bring Tim Hudson back for $7-9 million to be the 4th or 5th starter.
2.) I think you gotta get rid of Uggla. If that means eating $10 million this year to be free of $15 million in 2015 then you do it.
That $15 will be used to lock up Freeman and Heyward long-term.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:16 pm to blowmeauburn
SIAP or recently posted, but what's the word on Huddy's rehab? he coming back next year?
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:19 pm to beaver
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SIAP, Deadspin had a lip reader analyze what Kimbrel said after the homer
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Kimbrel: No, I'm mad because I told him if you're [partially obscured, appears to be 'running out of staff now'] you'll get two fricking innings.
Coach: Alright, that's fine.
it's actually worse...they updated it..
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Looked at it with fresh eyes and I think I got it:
"No, I'm mad because I told him, if we're winning after seven, I want to throw the last fricking two innings."
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:21 pm to The White Lobster
Continuing to insist that a bad hitter is a good hitter for over a year after it has become obvious that you are wrong is how you end up with Elliot Johnson starting in the playoffs.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:23 pm to blowmeauburn
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1.) I think the #1 priority has to be making a trade for an ace.
You're absolutely right about the need for an ace but I don't see how Atlanta gets one. A true bonafide ace, under control for multiple years with a reasonable contract that the Braves could afford would cost a king's ransom in a trade. And the Braves don't have the kind prospects it would take to land one imo, if one became available to begin with.
Wainwright sure would look nice right now
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:27 pm to Robot Santa
I mean it's defensible to play Elliot over Uggla. I wouldn't have, but I get it if you have given up on getting anything out of Uggla and want the better defender.
He was a below average hitter this year (for the first time in his career) and has gotten old, but he has too much potential to pay a lot of money to play for someone else
He was a below average hitter this year (for the first time in his career) and has gotten old, but he has too much potential to pay a lot of money to play for someone else
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:29 pm to blowmeauburn
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I think the #1 priority has to be making a trade for an ace.
agreed
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:29 pm to blowmeauburn
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it doesn't really make sense to bring Tim Hudson back for $7-9 million to be the 4th or 5th starter.
Is Hudson going to get anywhere close to that kind of money though? I would've thought that would be a stretch before he got hurt, but now I can't see anybody giving him that kind of money as he rehabs that injury.
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I think you gotta get rid of Uggla.
I can't decide what I'd do with him. Right now though I don't really like the idea of paying him $20 million over the next couple of years to play for somebody else when we don't really have a clear option to play 2B behind him. Obviously as the offseason progresses and that changes, then I'd be fine with dumping him on somebody like we did with Derek Lowe.
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lock up Freeman and Heyward long-term.
Absolutely have to get this done sooner rather than later.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:30 pm to blowmeauburn
I'm with your reasoning. We need an ace and it is more apparent now than ever although I do believe Teheran has the potential to become that ace at the top.
As much as I love Hudson, he's too old to be giving $7-14 million over multiple years. We need that money elsewhere.
I'd like to see how much we of Uggla's contract we could hand over to another team. Definitely not opposed to get in the market for Infante, Kelly Johnson, Mark Ellis to help at 2nd.
Don't sign McCann back. Gattis can handle the load with Bethancourt coming up to help the cause.
As much as I love Hudson, he's too old to be giving $7-14 million over multiple years. We need that money elsewhere.
I'd like to see how much we of Uggla's contract we could hand over to another team. Definitely not opposed to get in the market for Infante, Kelly Johnson, Mark Ellis to help at 2nd.
Don't sign McCann back. Gattis can handle the load with Bethancourt coming up to help the cause.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:32 pm to Rig
Yeah we can't forget about how good Teheran can be. I like him a lot, he might be a top 5-10 pitcher in baseball if he gets his change back
This post was edited on 10/8/13 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:35 pm to Rig
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Don't sign McCann back
That's all but assured at this point.
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Gattis can handle the load with Bethancourt coming up to help the cause.
Bethancourt is likely still another year away, Laird has another year left and will be the backup next year.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:37 pm to The White Lobster
Its defensible if those are your only two options. After Pena went down we failed to secure a backup plan for Uggla not getting it going, and it should have been anything but a given that he would. You cannot convince me that there wasn't at least one guy out there better than Elliot Johnson that we could have gotten for a reasonable price.
This post was edited on 10/8/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:43 pm to Robot Santa
Well the Royals cut Elliot Johnson (who hit .179/.218/.241 for them in 79 games) and picked up Bonafacio and Jamey Carroll in waiver trades to replace him. The front office was too slow to get anyone good to replace him. They probably didn't think it was necessary with Pastornicky available in case of emergency
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:45 pm to blowmeauburn
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1.) I think the #1 priority has to be making a trade for an ace. A rotation of Teheran/Minor/Medlen/Beachy/Hudson doesn't get you passed the 1st round. The Dodgers, Cardinals, Giants, all have a big arm they can depend on to win a game. While our rotation is ver good, it is made up #2 and #3 starters designed to win over the long run of the regular season but lose every year in the playoffs. Not to mention, it doesn't really make sense to bring Tim Hudson back for $7-9 million to be the 4th or 5th starter.
We don't have the money to afford an ace and we don't have the prospects to trade for one.There isn't even one in free agent this year any way.We can take a chance on Ubaldo Jimenez who just had his second best year or Tim Lincecum who has been a number 5 starter the last two years.I would rather have Tim Hudson who we can count on to be a good pitcher than sign someone we don't know what we get from them start to start.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:31 pm to rebel of fortune
I'm just going to throw this out there. Do we want an Ace more than want J. Upton?
That may end up being the cost.
That may end up being the cost.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:37 pm to blowmeauburn
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Do we want an Ace more than want J. Upton?
Yes. Give Seattle Wood, Upton and another top prospect for King Felix and call it a day
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:41 pm to K9
Easy as that!
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:43 pm to okietiger
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I've done this for so long man. Since I was 6 years old (1991). I remember how upset I was then.
1 bright spot with all this misery and "What could have beens". Always will be Braves fan, always. But probably am going to take a step back in how closely I follow. At least until our organization decides to wake the frick up and take necessary action.
I have this opinion about Les Miles and LSU and everyone goes apeshit. We finally get the offense we should have had for 8 years and everyone goes apeshit.
I sit back and say...........I told you so
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:43 pm to The White Lobster
just spit balling...i bet Seattle would be willing to move him.
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