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Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:50 am to OBUDan
Blauser hit .211 in 95 broski
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:50 am to okietiger
This team is better without Yunel because he drags the whole ship down.
At least AGon is a good teammate.
At least AGon is a good teammate.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:51 am to lsu31always
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Blauser hit .211 in 95 broski
If you really think this team is anywhere near the quality of the 1995 Braves overall, then I have some primo real estate in the Keys I'd like you to make an investment in.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:51 am to SwampDonks
From what I saw on MLBTR - the Braves want a Zack Grienke-type return for JJ
I don't see us getting that much for JJ at all...who else besides KC would be a fit?
I don't see us getting that much for JJ at all...who else besides KC would be a fit?
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:52 am to OBUDan
Jesus Dan.
The point is you can win a World Series with a weak bat @ SS.
Not comparing the teams at all.
The point is you can win a World Series with a weak bat @ SS.
Not comparing the teams at all.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:52 am to lsu31always
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Blauser hit .211 in 95 broski
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The point is you can win a World Series with a weak bat @ SS
This is why I said getting a Yuni Betancourt wouldn't be a bad idea for a year...sound defense until Pastornicky is ready...unload JJ and Prado (begrudgingly) for a top notch bat in LF and you have yourself a decent lineup with solid D
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:52 am to okietiger
For once, I am going to agree with Okie.
DAN QUIT PULLING AN OKIE
DAN QUIT PULLING AN OKIE
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:54 am to OBUDan
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We'll also have the "same team that missed the playoffs last year" by that logic.
We missed by a fricking game, and I even included that, but you left it out
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As of now, we have no idea what to expect from Freddie or JHey.
As for J, it can't get any worse. Let's hope Freddie can maintain or even improve upon his success.
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No clue who our LF will be year... because we're moving Prado and JJ IMO.
If we do, it's going to be an upgrade in LF which will in turn make this team better and help mask the weakness at SS.
We'll see what Rollins gets, but I promise you it won't be the Braves paying it. As I said, no one doesn't want Rollins playing SS for us. We're just being logical and don't want to take on that kind of deal when we hopefully have a solid enough player that will be ready to go THIS YEAR, and not 4 years down the line which is when Rollins deal would be up at the earliest.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:54 am to okietiger
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The point is you can win a World Series with a weak bat @ SS.
Of course you can. But can this team win a WS with shite nothing there? Do you really think this offense is good enough to win it with an aging SS who is shite with the bat and not nearly as valuable in the field any longer?
I'm talking about this team, as presently composed, you really think they are good enough to win with it all a weak bat at SS?
If so, then I don't know what to tell you.
If not, then your point is worthless.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:55 am to BallHawk
I think the Braves want a Zack Grienke type return if they include Prado
As for other suiters, I honestly have no idea.
As for other suiters, I honestly have no idea.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:56 am to OBUDan
Our best bats all had down years at the worst times...I don't see that being the rule but rather the exception. We need guys with good OBP (something that doesn't matter to Fredi we all know). If we get that with solid pitching and a full year of Michael Bourn we'll be much improved, so the the strength of the bat at SS isn't necessarily a requirement. I'd rather solid defense with our wealth of pitching.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:57 am to SwampDonks
There are 2 positions MLB managers and GM's seem to let bad hitting slide if there is good defense to back it up, and that's SS and catcher.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:57 am to OBUDan
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But can this team win a WS with shite nothing there?
You have no idea what Pastornicky can give us this year, and that is coming from someone who hasn't been his biggest fan. So you can't say we have shite nothing there.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:58 am to SwampDonks
Swamp, I was thinking maybe Pittsburgh or Baltimore would be a fit...maybe even the Rockies, but I don't see the bat in return on any of those teams (unless we can pry away Nick Markakis from Baltimore)
ETA: For JJ I mean
ETA: For JJ I mean
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 11/8/11 at 11:59 am to okietiger
If we're going to sign a strictly defensive guy, I'd rather it be Clint Barmes, who is also a type B free agent.
He's younger, better with the bat and better on defense.
He's younger, better with the bat and better on defense.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:00 pm to OBUDan
OBUDan, I can get behind that. He can also bat 2nd or 8th in the lineup. I like his versatility.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:01 pm to OBUDan
You act like SS is make or break for this team. It's not.
- We had injuries to 2 of our 3 best pitchers. We gassed the shite out of bullpen because of this.
- Uggla played like dogshit half the year. JHey played like dogshit the entire year. Prado looked like a bench player again. And McCann slumped the last 6 weeks.
If those key factors don't happen, we coulda won the damn thing THIS year. Yes, THIS YEAR.
- We had injuries to 2 of our 3 best pitchers. We gassed the shite out of bullpen because of this.
- Uggla played like dogshit half the year. JHey played like dogshit the entire year. Prado looked like a bench player again. And McCann slumped the last 6 weeks.
If those key factors don't happen, we coulda won the damn thing THIS year. Yes, THIS YEAR.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:03 pm to OBUDan
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This team is better without Yunel because he drags the whole ship down.
At least AGon is a good teammate.
Haven't read this thread, but Gonzo would be fine in next seasons lineup IF Uggla plays a whole season instead of half, J-Hey doesn't suck, Prado doesn't suck, and they pickup an outfielder who can hit with some power and of course, he doesn't suck. Anything you get from Chipper will be a bonus.
They still almost won the WC even with all the suck, so who knows.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 12:04 pm to okietiger
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If those key factors don't happen
So basically, if we wrote it on paper and didn't actually play baseball, we could have won?
Slumps happen. Players underperforming happens.
Uggla gave back all that he took IMO. He was winning games for us in August by his lonesome.
All I'm saying is that there's a lot of question marks about this team. A lot. Adding a guy like Rollins would help to erase one of them.
I'm not sure that trading Jair Jurrjens for some second rate LF necessarily will.
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