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re: The ATL Thread: 2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves Offseason Thread
Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:45 pm to TearsofKnowshon
Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:45 pm to TearsofKnowshon
Yeah that's BS. Freddie should know better.
And the Dodgers were the only team to offer the 6th year. The Braves, Red Sox, and Rays all offered 5.
And the Dodgers were the only team to offer the 6th year. The Braves, Red Sox, and Rays all offered 5.
This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:51 pm to TearsofKnowshon
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Grant McAuley
@grantmcauley
Freddie Freeman on hearing about #Braves trade for Matt Olson: "The emotions were all over the place, to be honest. I got the news when I was at workout that the trade had happened. I had no idea that that was going to happen... I didn't really speak for a couple of hours."
3:21 PM · Mar 18, 2022
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Kelsey Wingert
@KelsWingert
“I saw them. That’s all I’ll say.” - Freddie Freeman on Alex Anthopoulos’ tears speaking about the end of the Freddie era.
3:20 PM · Mar 18, 2022 from Acworth, GA
This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:51 pm to Dale Murphy
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F Feddie. Glad he’s gone.
Good Lord, man. Get ahold of yourself.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 2:56 pm to Hot Carl
Perfectly reasonable sentiments TBH. Freddie pretty much told ATL to go frick itself. He’s happy to be home and the Dodgers feel like family.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:00 pm to sorantable
Eh. Freddie played himself.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:04 pm to Hot Carl
yeah lets not lose sight of the fact that both sides are probably to blame. The Braves could have been more aggressive last off-season with locking him up. Freddie could have been more involved in the process once he became a free agent. Sucks to lose the guy, and he will always be a Braves legend. His feelings are probably hurt, which I don't blame him, but i dont think we need to boo the guy when he comes back.
Wont be rooting for him, but he got us a chip.
Wont be rooting for him, but he got us a chip.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:04 pm to TearsofKnowshon
Yep.... Can't believe they gave AA a one hour deadline.
5 years $140 mill .... to stay with Atlanta. WOW!!!
Man his agent really screwed this up and over-played their position. This was that one year where the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox or Mets didn't go big game hunting and drive this contract up to $200.
And I'm glad AA didn't fold. It sucks Freddie isn't here.... but he had Chipper warn him at least 2 times....
Damn man. But oh well. If Matt Olson stays healthy, we effectively replaced him with a younger player who might be better.
5 years $140 mill .... to stay with Atlanta. WOW!!!
Man his agent really screwed this up and over-played their position. This was that one year where the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox or Mets didn't go big game hunting and drive this contract up to $200.
And I'm glad AA didn't fold. It sucks Freddie isn't here.... but he had Chipper warn him at least 2 times....
Damn man. But oh well. If Matt Olson stays healthy, we effectively replaced him with a younger player who might be better.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:05 pm to wheelz007
I have a hard time believing all of this. Seems to be a bit of face saving but who knows.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:08 pm to Hot Carl
He joined the enemy (for less than the Braves offered) and now he’s firing shots. I stand by my sentiment. Especially after being warned twice by Chipper of exactly what not to do.
If AA only contacted him twice, then that’s worth being pissed about, too. But at least he’s made up for it with the Olson and McHugh signings and the future Soler signing.
If AA only contacted him twice, then that’s worth being pissed about, too. But at least he’s made up for it with the Olson and McHugh signings and the future Soler signing.
This post was edited on 3/18/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:29 pm to Dale Murphy
Yeah after reading the rest of that article, Freddie/his agency pretty much said without saying it that the Dodgers were his clear #1 option and he would only stay in Atlanta if the Braves paid 120 cents on the dollar for him. Hats off to AA for being transparent about his walk away number and refusing to pay out the nose for someone who makes it clear you’re not the preferred choice imo
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:35 pm to David Ricky
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THE BRAVES HAD made an opening offer to Freeman back in the spring of 2021, but it was an under-value deal that was customary of how the franchise conducted its baseball business following the 2020 pandemic season. The Braves, like other teams, had cut payroll, shedding productive players like Adam Duvall, Darren O'Day and Mark Melancon. So it was no surprise that the spring proposal fell far short of what Freeman's representatives, Casey Close and Vic Menocal of the Excel Agency, sought on the player's behalf.
But Atlanta's revenue trajectory changed quickly. The Braves were among the first teams to open their stands to fans, and Atlanta finished second among major league teams in attendance in 2021. Ownership gave the Braves' baseball operations the go-ahead to make deals in July, and Anthopoulos traded for Joc Pederson, Duvall, Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario and others.
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Around the same time, at last summer's trade deadline, the Braves finally moved in their negotiations with Freeman, offering him $125 million over five years, according to sources. The response from Freeman's camp remained consistent with what had been communicated before -- he would only agree to a deal that included a sixth year. In the weeks that followed, the Braves bumped their offer to $135 million over five years.
According to two league sources, the team was using Paul Goldschmidt's five-year, $130 million deal with the Cardinals as a comparable contract. At the time of Goldschmidt's contract with St. Louis in 2019, he was 31 years old, a little younger than Freeman, who turned 32 last September.
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In speaking with reporters all season, Freeman publicly deflected conversations about his negotiations, saying he was focused on his family and what the Braves were trying to accomplish on the field -- which was a remarkable turnaround. In Freeman's last 55 games of the regular season, he batted .323, and the Braves went 37-18. When Atlanta made short work of all of their postseason opponents, eventually beating the Astros in six games in the World Series, it felt like a storybook ending -- and the perfect moment for Atlanta's favorite son to agree to continue his stay.
All that time, the Braves' five-year offer remained on the table, including through a pre-lockout November in which there was little communication between the team and Freeman's camp. Close maintained that Freeman needed a sixth year in any offer from the Braves, and he began talking to other clubs. Without a deal on Dec. 2, after the owners locked out the players, Anthopoulos and Close did not negotiate for the 99 days of the labor shutdown.
When the business of baseball resumed, the Braves reconnected with Freeman's representatives. Anthopoulos nudged Atlanta's offer upward, to $140 million over five years.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 3:38 pm to David Ricky
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Anthopoulos rejected both of Excel's proposals. The two sides agreed on only this: All offers and proposals were off the table. Both sides needed to prepare for an Atlanta squad without Freddie Freeman.
QUICKLY, ANTHOPOLOUS BEGAN making those plans -- and he knew that if Freeman was not going to be the Braves' first baseman, he needed a star: a high-end player for the sake of the team's run production and defense. The Braves have won the NL East each of the last four years, with Freeman at first base, but their competition was only getting tougher: Mets owner Steve Cohen has spent aggressively this offseason, adding ace Max Scherzer, center fielder Starling Marte and others; the Phillies have loaded up on bullpen help, and locked up Kyle Schwarber.
So very late on Sunday, March 13 -- a day after Anthopolous ended talks with Freeman's camp -- Anthopoulos reached out to Billy Beane, who heads baseball operations for the Athletics, and asked for Beane's price for Olson. For Oakland, this was an opportunity to deal with a desperate trade partner. As one executive said, "Billy knew Alex couldn't roll out Joey BagofDoughnuts out there at first base to replace Freddie Freeman."
But if they got a star, the Braves could shape the conversation around Freeman's departure. The message to the team would be that even without Freeman, the team was serious about winning.
I love that AA wasn’t content to rest on his laurels after a World Series and knew how badly this would’ve killed fan morale if he didn’t have an A+ replacement lined up immediately.
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Olson was a seemingly perfect candidate: an All-Star, a big-time power hitter and an excellent defender. And the cherry on top for the Braves is that he was born and raised in the Atlanta area. He had grown up a Braves fan, rooting for Jones and others. All of that added to his potential public-relations value to the Braves' organization, no small consideration.
As Freeman remained unsigned, the Braves' ownership and Anthopoulos had borne the brunt of criticism over the negotiations for months -- and the scrutiny climbed after the disclosure that the team's parent company, the publicly traded Liberty Media, had profited greatly in 2021.
About noon on Monday, Beane presented his final asking price to Anthopoulos: a four-prospect package, fronted by catcher Shea Langeliers and outfielder Cristian Pache. Anthopoulous said yes. Not long after, Pache was called into a side office in the Braves' clubhouse. As he emerged, he told teammates he was part of a deal for Olson.
Anthopoulos met with reporters, and with his voice cracking, he talked about how hard it had been to make the trade -- although he couldn't say exactly why. Because of baseball's rules, he couldn't say out loud that Freeman, an unsigned free agent, would not return.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:02 pm to David Ricky
Something that's missed in all of this ---
There is going to come a time, a year or 2 from now, where AA is going to have to make some really tough decisions...
Swanson, Fried, Riley, the bullpen (Night Shift) at some point their value /contract needs are going to go up to a point where we may not be able to pay everyone.
$11 mill per year, the difference between what would have been Freddie's $33mill (5 years $165 mill demanded by his agent) and Olson's $22 mill that he eventually signed for... that's pretty significant and gives AA $11 mill down the road to spend in other areas.
So glad AA didn't cave.
There is going to come a time, a year or 2 from now, where AA is going to have to make some really tough decisions...
Swanson, Fried, Riley, the bullpen (Night Shift) at some point their value /contract needs are going to go up to a point where we may not be able to pay everyone.
$11 mill per year, the difference between what would have been Freddie's $33mill (5 years $165 mill demanded by his agent) and Olson's $22 mill that he eventually signed for... that's pretty significant and gives AA $11 mill down the road to spend in other areas.
So glad AA didn't cave.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:04 pm to wheelz007
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Mark Feinsand @Feinsand
Per source, $57 million of Freddie Freeman’s $162 million guarantee from the Dodgers is deferred from 2028 through 2040. Those deferments bring the value of the deal to approximately $140 million.
What in the actual frick
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:04 pm to wheelz007
Value of Freddie’s contract only $140 million
Due to deferred compensation. Once again. They either grossly overestimated his market. Or the Dodgers were always his #1 destination.
Due to deferred compensation. Once again. They either grossly overestimated his market. Or the Dodgers were always his #1 destination.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:05 pm to David Ricky
That has Bobby Bonilla written all over it. What in the actual frick? 
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:09 pm to wheelz007
Swanson and Fried are up next in line. And the going rate for a pitcher of Fried's caliber is about $25MIL. Dansby is probably looking at 15-17MIL/yr.
Riley has another year or two unless he does what Acuna and Albies did.
Riley has another year or two unless he does what Acuna and Albies did.
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:18 pm to wheelz007
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So glad AA didn't cave.
Yeah I mean I was adamant about giving Freeman the 6th year but now that it is clear his agency was basically negotiating in bad faith, I don’t blame AA one bit for washing his hands of the situation.
Then you see this tidbit from Olson’s agent (who was Chipper’s longtime agent) and you’ve gotta feel really good about how this entire situation was handled, when it so easily could’ve been a disaster for the Braves. Also worth noting that Dansby uses the same representation that Freeman has. Hopefully something changes there.
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In his history of negotiations with Anthopolous, Abbott says, "Alex is someone you don't negotiate against. He's someone you negotiate with. ... You work with him and tell him what you want."
Posted on 3/18/22 at 4:22 pm to quail man
The Dodgers were the only team to offer a 6th year. The Braves, Red Sox, and Rays all went 5.
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