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re: Teams were not as deep or talented in MJ’s era.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:29 pm to Kevin TheRant
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:29 pm to Kevin TheRant
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VADawg, are you saying that Lebron is a better defender than Jordan?
One on one, no. Although he was damn good and criminally underrated at it from about 2009-2012. He made MVP Derrick Rose disappear from the conference finals in his first year in Miami. LeBron is an awesome free safety though and is a better shot blocker.
It isn't some mile wide gap like Jordan fanboys claim it to be.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:30 pm to lsupride87
For the nba to be equal in depth from a statisctal standpoint, there would need to be 35 teams to be on par with MJs first 3 titles
There would need to be 39 teams to be on par with mjs sexond 3 peat
There would need to be 39 teams to be on par with mjs sexond 3 peat
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:30 pm to Kevin TheRant
quote:I read the post you replied to, the poster never said anything of the sort
VADawg, are you saying that Lebron is a better defender than Jordan?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:33 pm to _Hurricane_
Lebron is a better pure basketball player than MJ, but he acts like a bitch which makes people not like him.
He will never be as popular as MJ and thus will never win over the public perception.
Lebron also chased rings, and was clearly worried about his legacy, in comparison to MJ, which is unflattering.
People make this topic more complicated than it is. It is all about perception, not actual skill level.
He will never be as popular as MJ and thus will never win over the public perception.
Lebron also chased rings, and was clearly worried about his legacy, in comparison to MJ, which is unflattering.
People make this topic more complicated than it is. It is all about perception, not actual skill level.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:34 pm to OceanMan
quote:MJ was taking people out during his HOF speech. I'm not sure there's ever been an athlete more concerned about his legacy than MJ. There's nothing wrong with that generally speaking.
Lebron also chased rings, and was clearly worried about his legacy, in comparison to MJ, which is unflattering.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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least you're honest about how irrational you are. Most MJ fanboys won't admit that
Totally irrational. Dont care. Ill ride for MJ until I die
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:40 pm to Bunk Moreland
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When you add franchises, it dilutes the talent pool. It's science.
People who are fringe players today could probably be impact players then
Athletes are much more skilled now
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:43 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Same question, are you factoring in how much more good European talent we have nowadays?
When you add franchises, it dilutes the talent pool. It's science.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:43 pm to shel311
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I read the post you replied to, the poster never said anything of the sort
He mentioned Lebrons blocking ability against Igoudala. Which prompted me to ASK the question.
Is that what you are talking about?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:44 pm to lsupride87
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Anyway 5.2 billion/27 is 192.5 million per team 6.8 billion/30 is 226.6 million per team So you fail my friend
Are you seriously trying to extrapolate NBA team by global population? Who cares how many more Indians and Chinese we have in the world now that’s not the NBA talent pool
Until you provide anything more than lazy math you are the one that is failing.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:44 pm to Powerman
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People who are fringe players today could probably be impact players then
Athletes are much more skilled now
This is what I tell folks all the time. What was revolutionary talent awhile back is minimum requirements to ride the bench these days.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:44 pm to VADawg
Do we agree that Jordan is/was a better defender?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:45 pm to OceanMan
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Who cares how many more Indians and Chinese we have in the world now
You seriously g2 sit there and act like international talent hasn't gotten exponentially better since MJ?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:47 pm to shel311
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MJ was taking people out during his HOF speech. I'm not sure there's ever been an athlete more concerned about his legacy than MJ. There's nothing wrong with that generally speaking.
I am saying that he is chasing a specific legacy, which comes off as lame
MJ has more confidence than Lebron, people notice that. Because just using the eye test Lebron is clearly a superior basketball player. So there has to be something less tangible when discussing the better player.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:48 pm to VA LSU fan
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MJ played in a diluted league prior to a big European movement of players. There were a few but not many. That is why players like Sabonis and Kukoc stayed over seas for a few years prior to playing the the NBA.
Expansion happened within three to four years of each of th Bulls three peats.
MJ was a great player. Definitely top five with Lebron, Magic, Bird, and either Kareem or Russell. But his untouchable status was a product of Nike and ESPN.
LOL. One excuse after another on why Jordan always delivered, and James is about to be 3-6.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:49 pm to _Hurricane_
Teams are definitely more talented now. Would guys like Steve Kerr or John Paxson even make a team in today's NBA?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:49 pm to OceanMan
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Because just using the eye test Lebron is clearly a superior basketball player
/thread
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:50 pm to Kevin TheRant
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Do we agree that Jordan is/was a better defender
One on one, sure. Playing free safety and blocking shots, no.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You seriously g2 sit there and act like international talent hasn't gotten exponentially better since MJ?
Yep. I’m not arguing the talent pool isn’t deeper, I am arguing that the countries driving total world population growth don’t produce NBA talent.
Developed countries, where NBA players come from are not growing at the rates of the entire world, so it’s a poor basis of extrapolation.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:54 pm to OceanMan
quote:Well to start, the international talent is now a much bigger part of the game
Are you seriously trying to extrapolate NBA team by global population? Who cares how many more Indians and Chinese we have in the world now that’s not the NBA talent pool
Until you provide anything more than lazy math you are the one that is failing.
But, you were very lazy and stupid to hinge your argument without first looking up a very easy number which will now make you look foolish, more foolish than you already are
US population for MJS first 3 peat with 27 teams
249 million
249mil/27 = 9,222,222 per team
Us pop for his 2nd three peat with 30 teams
269mil/30 = 8,966,666 per team
Lebron
309mil/30 = 10,300,000 per team
So once again, still clearly deeper
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