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Teams were not as deep or talented in MJ’s era.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:08 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:08 am
Am I right or wrong?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:09 am to _Hurricane_
MJ is the greatest of all time.
No argument, no matter how rational, will ever change my mind
No argument, no matter how rational, will ever change my mind
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:11 am to _Hurricane_
How in the frick can you think people want to read another one of these threads?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:12 am to Zanzibaw
Assuming the league does not add teams, pro sports will always get deeper. Population keeps going up, meaning there is a larger talent pool to pick from
That doesnt even take into account medical/nutritional evolution. It simply brings in the numbers
That doesnt even take into account medical/nutritional evolution. It simply brings in the numbers
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:13 am to lsupride87
Which I think adds to the argument that Lebron is better for being so dominant in a deeper league.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
When you add franchises, it dilutes the talent pool. It's science.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:15 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:Correct
When you add franchises, it dilutes the talent pool. It's science.
Which is why I said that
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:15 am to _Hurricane_
These threads are getting old.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:17 am to lsupride87
For example though, in the 90s, mjs reign, the world had a population of 5.2 billion
In the 2010s, lebrons reign, the world population was 6.8 billion
That is an increase of 30% without increasing the teams in the NBA......
From sheer numbers it is impossible to even attempt the argument the league wouldnt get naturally deeper
In the 2010s, lebrons reign, the world population was 6.8 billion
That is an increase of 30% without increasing the teams in the NBA......
From sheer numbers it is impossible to even attempt the argument the league wouldnt get naturally deeper
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:18 am to _Hurricane_
super teams also weren’t the cool thing to do, so yes teams at the top weren’t as deep.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:18 am to bamaatlsu
quote:Tell me what era the NBA didnt have super teams
super teams also weren’t the cool thing to do, so yes teams at the top weren’t as deep
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:20 am to _Hurricane_
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Teams were not as deep or talented in MJ’s era.
It's just so impossible to compare eras like this. The game as played in both eras and the physical difference of both eras really makes this damn near impossible.
It's sometime hard to describe just how different the game is in 2018 as compared to 1995 or so. Watching teams jack up 40 3 point shots a game, while having virtually no mid range game and almost no actual centers or exclusive point guards is surreal at times.
I guess my point is that it depends what you mean. I think players today, like they are in literally every sport, are dominant physically almost across the board to their counterparts 20+ years ago and more so the further you go back. But...it depends what you mean by talent. If there are no centers who play the way guys like Shaq, or Hakeem, or David Robinson, or Kareem, etc did playing today because that is just not how the position is played, can it be said the center position is deeper? Or strictly point guards like Stockton or Isaiah?
There are obviously guys that could move from era to era and who you could imagine altering their game to fit in. It's easy to imagine a shooter like Reggie Miller being even more effective as a 3 point shooter today given a completely blank check and an offense geared to doing that almost exclusively. Likewise, there are times when I'd love to see a guy like LaBron playing a Karl Malone type offense, getting the ball on the block and backing and dominating in the paint.
I think the vast differences in the way the game is played keeps me from trying to compare guys so much and simply enjoy what they do within their own generation.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
It only matters what you do vs your era....6-0 vs 3-5 in NBA finals. Check out MJ’s 91 roster and Pipoen’s stats. This team beat the back to back champion that had multiple HOF’s. #Noexcuses
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:30 am to JRock99
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It only matters what you do vs your era....6-0 vs 3-5 in NBA finals. Check out MJ’s 91 roster and Pipoen’s stats. This team beat the back to back champion that had multiple HOF’s. #Noexcuses
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For fricks sake
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:31 am to BCMCubs
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MJ is the greatest of all time.
No argument, no matter how rational, will ever change my mind
Thanks for showing yourself as one of the nostalgics who shouldn't be taken seriously
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:34 am to JRock99
MJ played in a diluted league prior to a big European movement of players. There were a few but not many. That is why players like Sabonis and Kukoc stayed over seas for a few years prior to playing the the NBA.
Expansion happened within three to four years of each of th Bulls three peats.
MJ was a great player. Definitely top five with Lebron, Magic, Bird, and either Kareem or Russell. But his untouchable status was a product of Nike and ESPN.
Expansion happened within three to four years of each of th Bulls three peats.
MJ was a great player. Definitely top five with Lebron, Magic, Bird, and either Kareem or Russell. But his untouchable status was a product of Nike and ESPN.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:35 am to JRock99
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It only matters what you do vs your era.
I think there are a few sports where comparing athletes/statistics is still somewhat possible...baseball being the one that comes to mind, and even that is really a stretch at this point given things like modern pitching rotations, changing strike zones, bats made of wood other than plain old ash, etc.
But in sports where you're expected to pluck a guy from 1985 and drop him on the court in 2018 and see if his body which was built for his own time and competition and his game which was built for the same thing can suddenly compete with guys built for today and whose game fits with today makes no real sense to me.
I don't think it's an insult to guys from the past to say that their modern counterparts are better pure athletes in most cases...with a handful of exceptions. But I think it does both a disservice to suggest that the former could never play today if the assumption is that they could not if they were suddenly dropped into a game as a 27 year old out of the blue instead of growing up with today's players and being part of their generation, just as it will be 25 years from now when someone points out that the NBA players of 2043 are better athletes than nearly everyone playing today.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
Kirk Herbstreit put it best when asked to predict a score between USC that season and an undefeated team from decades ago. “USC wins but I’m not disrespecting an all time great team by predicting a score.” People need to stop attaching their own self worth to these players. Discussions are just for fun not to prove anything.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:43 am to VADawg
Shouldnt take me seriously on NBA. Ive watched maybe 5 games in the last 3 seasons.
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