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re: Teams that lost a playoff game that could've won the title

Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:43 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:43 am to
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the only good player UGA had on defense was jarvis jones.


lol

ND's supposedly "great" defense gave up 41 points to alabama. That same trashy UGA defense gave up 28 to them, and that was without one of our starting DL (injure dthe week before against tech).


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all i said was that Bama had a historically ridiculously good OL that year, along with two NFL running backs and amari cooper and were the only team that made ND look like a bunch of pansies.


And georgia contained that offense far, FAR better than ND ever dreamed of.

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I'll be honest, i didn't watch a lot of SEC football, so I don't know exactly how good the gamecocks were and other teams, but i remember that under mark richt, UGA was REALLY undisciplined and always near the top of the country in penalties


so basically you don' know anythin about the topic and are just kinda sorta taking a stab in the dark.

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stupidity - i.e. not clocking it after picking up a huge chunk of yards in the SECCG against bama


it was 100% the correct playcall, it just wasn't executed. Which also has nothing to do with how UGA would far agianst ND. Everyone outside of south bend (and you, apparently) know what UGA would've done to ND that year. It really isn't even debatable.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:50 am to
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Preplayoff 2012 UGA wins a nc if they beat bama

For sure but MR sticks around longer. He won’t be fired after 2015 and they might not end up with Smart. I know UGA was his dream job but he maybe he’s not willing to wait another 5 years
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 10:57 am to
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2020 Clemson (still Trevor Lawrence-era Clemson and they had Bama's number)

Bama’s defense wasn’t great but no one that season was out scoring that offense. I’m almost certain Clemson’s defense would’ve had more trouble with Bama’s offense then they did with OSU’s
This post was edited on 8/8/24 at 11:04 am
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:24 am to
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no one that season was out scoring that offense


Your only elite offensive players that season were Mac (NFL bust, didn't beat out Tua and Hurts for the starting job his sophomore and junior seasons), DeVonta, and Najee (Waddle was out most of the season)

Compare THAT with
2021 - Bryce Young, Brian Robinson, Metchie, and Williams
2022 - Young, Gibbs, McClellan, Burton, Brooks
2019 - Tua, Najee, Jeudy, Ruggs, Waddle, and DeVonta

The caliber of talent doesn't hold up, the decimation of college football inflicted by Covid regulations combined with opt-outs created the IDEAL circumstances for an Alabama offense with just three elite players to outperform more stacked Alabama units and be a scoring machine. I respectfully won't be convinced otherwise, especially with the perspective of history.
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:37 am to
Yep that's pretty much how it was in that SEC CG. Either Bama or Georgia could have won it. We know Bama leveled ND but Georgia would have done the same.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:39 am to
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The caliber of talent doesn't hold up, the decimation of college football inflicted by Covid regulations combined with opt-outs created the IDEAL circumstances for an Alabama offense with just three elite players to outperform more stacked Alabama units and be a scoring machine. I respectfully won't be convinced otherwise, especially with the perspective of history.

Convinced of what? I’m not comparing them to any other year. We’re talking about Bama beating another 2020 team. I specifically said “that season” in my statement. Even if you believe all that, Clemson 2020 was also a 2020 team with all the same circumstances. And 2020 Clemson wasn’t 2018 Clemson (yes and 2020 Bama wasn’t 2018 Bama either)

But addressing your other comments, you can’t just look at trios (by that logic 2013 LSU was WAY better than 2007 or 2011 LSU) and NFL performance. By that logic Driskel is a better QB than Tim Tebow in college. You’re completely ignoring coaching too.

Bama absolutely had a better OL and better play calling than 2021 and 2022. Those OL were fundamentally not well coached. Kyle Flood was absolutely leagues better than Doug Marrone. Those Texas OL the last few years have been coached by him. That 2021 and 2022 OL routinely missed their blocking assignments. Hopefully I don’t have to convince you Sark is 10x the play caller Bill O’Brian is. Saban’s biggest flaw his final years was hiring those two idiots as replacements over elite coaches
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:48 am to
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Convinced of what? I’m not comparing them to any other year. We’re talking about Bama beating another 2020 team. I specifically said “that season” in my statement. Even if you believe all that, Clemson 2020 was also a 2020 team with all the same circumstances. And 2020 Clemson wasn’t 2018 Clemson (yes and 2020 Bama wasn’t 2018 Bama either)



That's fair and we'll never know but I'd imagine that Clemson with Dabo, Lawrence, and Co would have that psychological advantage of their past success against Bama and be able to compete well and win
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:54 am to
I mean Dabo was 2-2 versus Bama. And TL only played Bama once so small sample size.

But with how bad (gave up 639 yards and 8.9 ypp) their defense looked vs OSU I have a hard time seeing them containing Bama
Posted by Chair45
Member since May 2024
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Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:56 am to
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the only good player UGA had on defense was jarvis jones.



lol

ND's supposedly "great" defense gave up 41 points to alabama. That same trashy UGA defense gave up 28 to them, and that was without one of our starting DL (injure dthe week before against tech).


dude, i've addressed this situation a TON. the irish defense was great that year, it just looked terrible against a team that just so happened to have ALL the ingredients of a VASTLY superior offense that was also HISTORICALLY great in multiple aspects (absolutely nasty OL, multiple great RBs on the roster, and a stud WR, and of course Saban). the irish D could have held their own against the vast majority of offenses in the country that year. Bama was one of the FEW exceptions

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all i said was that Bama had a historically ridiculously good OL that year, along with two NFL running backs and amari cooper and were the only team that made ND look like a bunch of pansies.



And georgia contained that offense far, FAR better than ND ever dreamed of.



ahhhh yes, the transitive property. that's ALWAYS proven to be true in CFB history....

how well did that defense contain south carolina that year? the only impactful offensive player USCe has had this century is marcus lattimore, and UGA got stomped that year

how well did UGA contain tennessee that year? 44 points? really? UGA allowed 44 against a sh*tty vols team?

hahahaha


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I'll be honest, i didn't watch a lot of SEC football, so I don't know exactly how good the gamecocks were and other teams, but i remember that under mark richt, UGA was REALLY undisciplined and always near the top of the country in penalties



so basically you don' know anythin about the topic and are just kinda sorta taking a stab in the dark.


what I do know is that the best that the SEC had to offer was on display in atlanta that year, and we've already discussed Bama. i've also stated MULTIPLE times that I think UGA would have beaten ND, but due to mark richt always having undisciplined/unfocused teams, it wouldn't have been a cakewalk. bama was probably the only team to make ND look like children



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stupidity - i.e. not clocking it after picking up a huge chunk of yards in the SECCG against bama



it was 100% the correct playcall, it just wasn't executed. Which also has nothing to do with how UGA would far agianst ND. Everyone outside of south bend (and you, apparently) know what UGA would've done to ND that year. It really isn't even debatable.



dude, seriously? the playcall has NOTHING to do with the fact that UGA should have clocked the ball to settle everything down, so that you tell Murray that the ball has to be thrown into the endzone. that ensures you have 3 chances to get a TD. also, you have to account for the other team and not just assume that your playcalls will work to 100% perfection every single time

Posted by karmew32
Ponchatoula, LA
Member since Jan 2017
1655 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:41 pm to
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dude, seriously? the playcall has NOTHING to do with the fact that UGA should have clocked the ball to settle everything down, so that you tell Murray that the ball has to be thrown into the endzone. that ensures you have 3 chances to get a TD. also, you have to account for the other team and not just assume that your playcalls will work to 100% perfection every single time

Bama's defense was on its heels; spiking the ball would've given them time to gather themselves and make substitutions. Murray did throw the ball into the endzone; it was just tipped at the line of scrimmage. Conley instinctively did what he was taught to do his entire career; in hindsight, he obviously should've batted it down, but don't underestimate how hard it is in the moment to override a decade's worth of coaching and instincts, especially on a broken play.
This post was edited on 8/8/24 at 12:42 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35423 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:44 pm to
1974 Miami Dolphins

Lost to the Raiders in "The Sea of Hands" game. Going for a three-peat. If they beat the Raiders, they easily handle the Steelers who were wretched on offense that year. After dispatching the Raiders and Steelers, they blow Minnesota out (again).
Posted by Chair45
Member since May 2024
387 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:35 pm to
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Bama's defense was on its heels; spiking the ball would've given them time to gather themselves and make substitutions.


it also would have allowed UGA to gather themselves and adjust the protection and do some stuff pre-snap if need be

that play will FOREVER be a microcosm of richt's sh*tty gameday abilities as a coach, similar to cristobal's EPIC clock mgmt blunder against GT and Les Miles' countless clock mgmt gaffes

Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88611 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:58 pm to
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it also would have allowed UGA to gather themselves


we had the exact playcall we wanted. Taking extra time would have only helped bama, not us. We knew exactly what we were doing.

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adjust the protection


irrelevant when a DL simply gets his hand hihg enough to swat the pass.

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that play will FOREVER be a microcosm of richt's sh*tty gameday abilities as a coach


again, the playcall itself was perfectly fine. It's really head scratching that you continue to rail against richt for some odd reason considering we lost that game 100% due to lack of depth on the line of scrmimage, not playcalling.

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similar to cristobal's EPIC clock mgmt blunder against GT


these 2 coaches don't desreve to be uttered in the same breath as one another

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