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re: TCU was robbed blind
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:43 am to alabamabuckeye
Posted on 12/8/14 at 1:43 am to alabamabuckeye
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TCU didn't even win their conference, bruh.
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Alabama Fan
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:10 am to RummelTiger
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TCU didn't even win their conference, bruh.
Uh... Yeah we did.
Sorta like how Ole Miss won the west in '03, huh?
Eta: beaten to the punch. Point still stands
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 2:12 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 2:32 am to ohmdawg
Ohio State is better than either of those Big-12 stopgaps. They have a good Urban Meyer offense, and they actually play defense - which is more than you can say about Baylor or TCU.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 6:13 am to ohmdawg
I didn't read the thread but cardale is going to get eaten alive by saban...this will be a blowout...only reason OSU made it is because their fanbase is bigger than tcu and baylor combined. Big fanbase=big ratings=big revenue
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:42 am to alabamabuckeye
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TCU didn't even win their conference, bruh.
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Alabama Fan
Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:13 am to ohmdawg
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Ohio State if it had its all star QB still playing would be a viable contender, but that fool is out, gone and you can't use his games as justification, well you wouldn't think so....
So wait, when our 2nd string QB making his 2nd start loses to VT it REALLY counts, but when our 3rd string QB makes his first start and dominates a top 15 team by 59 it should mean nothing?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:15 am to Eden
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TCU didn't even win their conference, bruh.
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Alabama Fan
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:Posted on 12/8/14 at 8:56 am to ohmdawg
The committee brought all this on themselves.
They did not have to rank teams so early.
They did not have to move TCU to #3
It looks bad because they had FSU at 4 and TCU at 3
I don't feel sorry for Big 12, every other conference played an extra tough game without 3 bye weeks.
TCU has no argument, they lost head to head to Baylor
Baylor has no argument there non conf schedule was pathetic
All TCU had to do was win the Baylor game
They did not have to rank teams so early.
They did not have to move TCU to #3
It looks bad because they had FSU at 4 and TCU at 3
I don't feel sorry for Big 12, every other conference played an extra tough game without 3 bye weeks.
TCU has no argument, they lost head to head to Baylor
Baylor has no argument there non conf schedule was pathetic
All TCU had to do was win the Baylor game
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:15 am to nicholastiger
this is simple.
oregon
alabama
tcu
florida state
ohio state
which one is not like the others?
this is all about money.
oregon
alabama
tcu
florida state
ohio state
which one is not like the others?
this is all about money.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:17 am to diat150
A lot of butthurt in this thread. Nobody got robbed. 2 deserving teams were going to get left out. Committee decided on who they thought were the top 4 teams. It's simple.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:33 am to RollDatRoll
Let's put this topic to bed.....TCU did not get screwed.
First, does anybody remember the first CFP poll. 3 SEC West teams in the top 4. Nobody expected it to remain that way.
Secondly, the committee does itself a disservice by putting out the poll during the season to begin with because they say "conference winners" will be a major factor. And that factor cannot be applied till the end of the season.
Thirdly, no teams without a conference championship game should be playing on championship weekend. If the Big 12 had finished their season the same weekend as all the other conferences Baylor would have jumped TCU in the poll prior to championship weekend.
Lastly, the Big 12 commissioner screwed Baylor during the process by changing "one true champion" to co-champs. If Baylor had finished their season a week earlier, the committee would have jumped Baylor over TCU, then the commissioner could have gotten on the bandwagon for Baylor for a whole week prior to the other CCG's.
Nobody screwed over TCU......and........don't blow a 21 point 4th quarter lead next time.
First, does anybody remember the first CFP poll. 3 SEC West teams in the top 4. Nobody expected it to remain that way.
Secondly, the committee does itself a disservice by putting out the poll during the season to begin with because they say "conference winners" will be a major factor. And that factor cannot be applied till the end of the season.
Thirdly, no teams without a conference championship game should be playing on championship weekend. If the Big 12 had finished their season the same weekend as all the other conferences Baylor would have jumped TCU in the poll prior to championship weekend.
Lastly, the Big 12 commissioner screwed Baylor during the process by changing "one true champion" to co-champs. If Baylor had finished their season a week earlier, the committee would have jumped Baylor over TCU, then the commissioner could have gotten on the bandwagon for Baylor for a whole week prior to the other CCG's.
Nobody screwed over TCU......and........don't blow a 21 point 4th quarter lead next time.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:50 am to dante
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Lastly, the Big 12 commissioner screwed Baylor during the process by changing "one true champion" to co-champs. If Baylor had finished their season a week earlier, the committee would have jumped Baylor over TCU, then the commissioner could have gotten on the bandwagon for Baylor for a whole week prior to the other CCG's.
lol... No.
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Thirdly, no teams without a conference championship game should be playing on championship weekend.
Ah, so it's an NCAA issue. Got it!
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:56 am to RummelTiger
quote:Care to offer an explanation?
Lastly, the Big 12 commissioner screwed Baylor during the process by changing "one true champion" to co-champs. If Baylor had finished their season a week earlier, the committee would have jumped Baylor over TCU, then the commissioner could have gotten on the bandwagon for Baylor for a whole week prior to the other CCG's.
lol... No.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:42 am to dante
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Lastly, the Big 12 commissioner screwed Baylor during the process by changing "one true champion" to co-champs. If Baylor had finished their season a week earlier, the committee would have jumped Baylor over TCU, then the commissioner could have gotten on the bandwagon for Baylor for a whole week prior to the other CCG's
While the "One True Champion" slogan is comical, it's not like co-champions in a conference are a new thing. Both teams finished 7-1. It happens and both teams deserved their trophy.
And why would Bowlsby tie himself solely to Baylor's bandwagon? You stated yourself that conference champs are a major consideration for the committee. If 2 of Bama, Oregon, FSU or Ohio State loses this weekend, the Big XII likely gets 2 into the playoff.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:49 am to RummelTiger
The Big 12 wesbite states that they would submit as their representative, in case of a two-way tie, the team that won head to head. They did not do this. They went against their stated procedure in order to get two bites at the apple, and it backfired spectacularly.
The Playoff's stated criteria for breaking a tie, and let's call these three in an essentially dead heat, are SOS, head to head, and conference titles. What the big 12 did is weakened Baylor's conference title claim so they are no longer the Big 12 champ, and are now just a co-champ. Ohio St, by virtue of an undisputed championship, wins that tiebreaker over BOTH Baylor and TCU. Baylor wins head to head over TCU, and SOS is a veritable dead heat. I think TCU had the toughest SOS, but not significantly.
And it's worth pointing out that Baylor's "terrible loss" is TCU's third best win. If TCU's schedule is so tough, why is one of their best wins a disqualifying loss for Baylor?
Really, the Big 12 gave the committee an excuse to screw their teams by the stated criteria, and the committee eagerly seized upon it, as they'd rather have Ohio St in the playoffs. By the rules, Ohio St. was the easy choice due to the Big 12's hamfisted behavior in crowning/not crowning a champion.
The Playoff's stated criteria for breaking a tie, and let's call these three in an essentially dead heat, are SOS, head to head, and conference titles. What the big 12 did is weakened Baylor's conference title claim so they are no longer the Big 12 champ, and are now just a co-champ. Ohio St, by virtue of an undisputed championship, wins that tiebreaker over BOTH Baylor and TCU. Baylor wins head to head over TCU, and SOS is a veritable dead heat. I think TCU had the toughest SOS, but not significantly.
And it's worth pointing out that Baylor's "terrible loss" is TCU's third best win. If TCU's schedule is so tough, why is one of their best wins a disqualifying loss for Baylor?
Really, the Big 12 gave the committee an excuse to screw their teams by the stated criteria, and the committee eagerly seized upon it, as they'd rather have Ohio St in the playoffs. By the rules, Ohio St. was the easy choice due to the Big 12's hamfisted behavior in crowning/not crowning a champion.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:50 am to nvasil1
The whole "9 games, every game matters, one true champion" thing would be great if Bowlsby and his cronies would have the tie-break process in place to determine that one true champion. In every sport it's almost always head to head for first tie break but the Big XII had it's head up it's arse on this one.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:59 am to double d
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:01 am to Baloo
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The Big 12 wesbite states that they would submit as their representative, in case of a two-way tie, the team that won head to head. They did not do this. They went against their stated procedure in order to get two bites at the apple, and it backfired spectacularly.
The tiebreaker rule is only used to choose the Big XII representative in one of the New Year's 6 if they're not involved in the playoff.
The committee was free to choose whoever they thought was the best team, not the most deserving.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:09 am to nvasil1
Again, the committee lists its priority for selecting teams that are "tied". It's not mealy mouthed words like "best" or "most deserving". The rules are:
The committee did precisely that. The SOS is pretty much a wash between the three, with TCU having a slight edge. Ohio St has a full title, putting itself ahead of the Big co-champs. That distinguished the buckeyes and got them the big playoffs. Baylor then was placed 5th over TCU due to the importance of head to head, also listed as a criteria.
By the rules in place, there's just no rational argument for TCU unless you think their SOS is massively better than OSU and Baylor's and that their conference title is worth more than OSU's. And I'm still not sure how you ignore the head to head with Baylor.
Use the criteria set out by the committee and craft and argument for TCU. You have to use SOS, head-to-head, and conference titles, and somehow put TCU ahead of Ohio St, who won a full share of a title, and Baylor, a team TCU lost to. Don't make up your own criteria, use the committee's. Those are the three factors to "break a tie".
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Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar;
The committee did precisely that. The SOS is pretty much a wash between the three, with TCU having a slight edge. Ohio St has a full title, putting itself ahead of the Big co-champs. That distinguished the buckeyes and got them the big playoffs. Baylor then was placed 5th over TCU due to the importance of head to head, also listed as a criteria.
By the rules in place, there's just no rational argument for TCU unless you think their SOS is massively better than OSU and Baylor's and that their conference title is worth more than OSU's. And I'm still not sure how you ignore the head to head with Baylor.
Use the criteria set out by the committee and craft and argument for TCU. You have to use SOS, head-to-head, and conference titles, and somehow put TCU ahead of Ohio St, who won a full share of a title, and Baylor, a team TCU lost to. Don't make up your own criteria, use the committee's. Those are the three factors to "break a tie".
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:12 am to Baloo
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Use the criteria set out by the committee and craft and argument for TCU. You have to use SOS, head-to-head, and conference titles, and somehow put TCU ahead of Ohio St, who won a full share of a title, and Baylor, a team TCU lost to. Don't make up your own criteria, use the committee's. Those are the three factors to "break a tie".
I've been arguing the committee got it right in this thread.
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