re: St. Louis is a football city and deserves to have another NFL team.

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town, most abandoned empty neighborhoods. Almost as bad as Detroit.

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Now post pics of Compton heights, Lafayette square or soulard

St Louis is a baseball city and always will be. Quit embarrassing yourself.

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But the NFL curiously doesn't when expansion fees would dwarf all the other leagues.

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Because expansion takes away leverage they have on stadium deals… and all pro sports markets are saturated. There aren’t untapped fan bases like the old days

Yawn

Nah. I live here and the population has had enough of the stadium shell game. And being totally honest, St. Louis won't support a loser forever (look at the current baseball Cardinals). A lot of those sellouts were local business or the Rams themselves buying the last of the tickets.

A huge part of the problem with NFL historically here is the powers that be insisted on putting all the stadiums downtown. Whether it's warranted or not, city officials have allowed the perception of downtown to become unchecked black youth running wild, street racing, and the like. When your reward for going downtown is a broken car window the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

The only way the NFL would ever work again in St. Louis would be a stadium in the suburbs with endless fields of on-site parking for tailgating. Bad football can survive if the rest of the experience is fun (the tailgating). And with downtown stadiums it has never been a world class experience.

I'm also not sure there's enough businesses to support it at the level the league demands anymore. St. Louis has baseball, hockey, MLS soccer and a racetrack which has NASCAR events and the 2nd biggest open wheel Indy car event next to the Indy 500. There's only so many dollars to go around.

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If the saints had that worse of a record over a four year stretch and the owner inadvertently says the team is on its way out, would you bother to support the product ? Because anyone that has any self respect would’ve done the same.

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Nope probably wouldn't be anyone there like no one was there for late era St Louis Rams games, which I said the first time.

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In-town, most abandoned empty neighborhoods. Almost as bad as Detroit.

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Detroit ain’t that bad anymore in this sense. They’ve rebuilt some of those empty residential areas.

Probably because it involved removing some less than desirable folks.

I’ve seen it firsthand. I’ve spent time wandering around downtown and in Greektown, and they’ve done a good job of getting buildings occupied, cleaning up parks, and making it look nice.

St. Louis is a baseball city.

Saint Louis had a team and there was no way the NFL was going let a team with such a horrible history move to LA.

Times have changed, Louisiana is failing and fading every day, and there are several better, more proven options out there. It’s just a matter of time really.