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re: Some more Steph Curry ridiculousness
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:40 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:40 pm to Goldrush25
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We're so far removed from MJ's hey day that now people forget how dominant he was.
we have his stats and we are comparing his stats
unless you want to claim his dominance didn't show up in the box score
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 7:41 pm to Goldrush25
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Is the three point game not much more heavily emphasized in today's game? People didn't really shoot them back then close to the volume that we see today. There's a reason for that.
volume is one thing, but the skill is another. bird shot over 40% from 3 from the same era so let's not act like it was impossible
Posted on 2/26/16 at 8:28 pm to WestCoastAg
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which was mostly just said jokingly
Posted on 2/27/16 at 10:31 am to mattz1122
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Last year, Lebron was the GOAT.
If AD can stay healthy and move to a better franchise, then he'll be the GOAT in a couple years. Or maybe KAT.
#ADDculture
Since MJ, lebron is the only guy to get any sort of legit GOAT talk, and even then the vast majority of posters know he probably won't get there.
I'll concede it's way early to go there with Curry, but he is having a season we've never seen before. It's a huge "if" but if he can sustain this level for a while, he can make his way into the conversation at least.
Posted on 2/27/16 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well the one thing I already mentioned that seems to be getting ignored is the huge gulf between the two defensively, and most of that wouldn't show up in a box score.
unless you want to claim his dominance didn't show up in the box score
Posted on 2/29/16 at 3:14 pm to shel311
Bump to add some more Steph Curry greatness.
Steph scored 20 points in 13 mins between the 4Q and OT in Saturday's win.
Steph scored 20 points in 13 mins between the 4Q and OT in Saturday's win.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:10 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Steph is having a GOAT season, and is in line for GOAT status if he doesn't get hurt....and he is more likable. I am big Steph fan. However, the Effective and true FG % will reward those who shoot more threes. As we all know, the three-point shot is marginally more difficult than a long two. If Jordan played today, there is no reason to believe that he couldn't be a much better three-point shooter than he was (he was AWFUL from three). Back then, he didn't need the three point shot to dominate; no one really emphasized. In today's game, I believe Jordan would have put more effort into his long range game. No, he would never shoot as well as Steph, but there is no reason that he couldn't shoot 38-42 percent from the three.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:11 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Younger savvy fans today have greater propensity to call everything they see as "the greatest ever" before the player (fill in the blank) has even finished half of his career, or season.
FIFY
I mean, a month ago, Cam Newton had a skill set that nobody could truly stop, was the new prototype, and every other great slow-footed white QB was garbage, from the past, and used up.. Until Denver shut that convo down for a minute.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:12 pm to littleavery1948
quote:1. Only if they make them.
However, the Effective and true FG % will reward those who shoot more threes
2. And it should be rewarded more.
The rest of what you said is why it's so hard to judge players from different eras, even if MJ's era wasn't that long ago. But the fact that no one is even coming close to doing what Steph is doing is really telling. It's not just the extra emphasis on the 3, it's that he'd shooting more and making more than everyone by a long shot. Pun intended!!!
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:21 pm to shel311
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The sophistication of defensive schemes are soooo much better now. Not to mention with the illegal defense rules as they were back then, today's Curry would go bonkers on defenses 25 years ago.
This stuff is just fricking ridiculous. The "sophistication" of basketball defenses? I can tell that you've recently heard terms used in basketball, and you think they are new... but "hedging", "under-cutting a screen", and whatever different word they use now for "trapping" aren't some new sophistication of the game.
Damn, I can tell which posters listen to a LOT of Espn , and sports talk.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:24 pm to bgtiger
Lol. Boston basically created a new zone defense in 2008. So yes, defenses now are different and more sophisticated. Just like they are in football compared to 20 years ago
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:35 pm to bgtiger
quote:Oh my, you poor thing.
The "sophistication" of basketball defenses? I can tell that you've recently heard terms used in basketball, and you think they are new... but "hedging", "under-cutting a screen", and whatever different word they use now for "trapping" aren't some new sophistication of the game.
quote:Funny you say that as I watch zero ESPN(non live sports) and 1 sports talk show, the one that gets hated on for never ever breaking down games in that manner.
Damn, I can tell which posters listen to a LOT of Espn , and sports talk.
But hey, nice try!!!
NBA defenses of today vs 25 years ago is one of the easier litmus tests to see if someone really lacks in NBA IQ, possibly the best one we can over and over on these boards.
I mean, if you understand the concept of evolution, why would it not be more complex nowadays? It's pretty logical.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:36 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:No, basketball and football have not introduced any new concepts since 1990.
Lol. Boston basically created a new zone defense in 2008. So yes, defenses now are different and more sophisticated. Just like they are in football compared to 20 years ago
No!!!
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:48 pm to shel311
The current NBA players have played this level of "sophistication" in high school
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:51 pm to shel311
Somebody explain the "sophistication" that the current player has to deal with compared to the past players. Not just zone versus man. No zone defense is complicated.... Definitely not "sophisticated". None in basketball should ever be called that
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:52 pm to shel311
Somebody explain the "sophistication" that the current player has to deal with compared to the past players. Not just zone versus man. No zone defense is complicated.... Definitely not "sophisticated". None in basketball should ever be called that
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:54 pm to bgtiger
Go watch an old NBA classic game, then one from this season. I'd like to see you make these statements with a straight face after that. Just a nostalgic, non-reality point of view you have.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 5:57 pm to monkeybutt
So you can't tell me either. Gotcha
Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:00 pm to bgtiger
Are you kidding me? Did you not see what GS did in the finals last year when they basically went 100% to a small lineup which allowed them to maximize Draymond greens elite defense? You actually think that happens in 1995?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:01 pm to bgtiger
If you can't watch a game now and see how even in man defense, there are always multiple players positioning as help defenders, and the ridiculous rotations that take place... when compared to a blow by equaling wide open layups back in the day... there's no point in arguing with you. You see what you want to see. Whatever.
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