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Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:11 pm to bgtiger
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in this day and age of schemes that almost rival those of the NFL in their complexity
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:11 pm to bgtiger
Sounds like you have your mind all made up 
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:13 pm to shel311
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he best players still score the most, affect the game the most, as it has always been
Not as they always have, they're doing it in different ways in today's game.
AND, we've come full circle.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:13 pm to WestCoastAg
It's "just some blogger article" when it says something he doesn't agree with, but it's canon if he finds a line he thinks means nothing has changed at all.
This is amazing
This is amazing
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Kinda impressive really
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:14 pm to bgtiger
quote:What did it say after that?
be sure, none of what Thibodeau preaches is new or revolutionary.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:14 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Answered my question above.
in this day and age of schemes that almost rival those of the NFL in their complexity
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:15 pm to bgtiger
quote:And because the game is so different, the defenses are more complex.
AND, we've come full circle.
It's odd, it is a really, really easy concept to grasp and actually see visually if you watch.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:16 pm to shel311
That is a great article that addresses both the hand check and the zone defense, the latter of which means the net result of the changes were pro-defense.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:18 pm to slackster
quote:Yep that's the best one of the ones I found.
That is a great article that addresses both the hand check and the zone defense, the latter of which means the net result of the changes were pro-defense.
It very clearly illustrates how defenses are more sophisticated and the reason why.
Not sure there's much more we can do. As TBird said, dude won't change his mind, no matter how much evidence we post. Which is funny cause he's accused us of providing nothing, now it's provided, he still doesn't believe, and he himself hasn't provided a nugget of evidence for his point on the other end.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:19 pm to shel311
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Not sure there's much more we can do. As TBird said, dude won't change his mind, no matter how much evidence we post.
Hope he is just a troll and I've wasted an hour or so falling for it.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Literally every article cited has at least one or two caveats that let you know that all the hype they proclaim is not really new, and has been practiced for years.
Help defense, doubling a non ball handler or big man, still leaves a man open as it fricking always has, and only changes who has to find the open man. Which, purely on the face of this subject, seems to have a much more effective and much more numbers gathering sound to it for guards now, than the inside out game of the past.
It probably also helps someone like Curry that almost all of his starting five can shoot the three to some degree. Really spaces out the floor to five defenders, versus, double the big man and find the other shooter days.
Help defense, doubling a non ball handler or big man, still leaves a man open as it fricking always has, and only changes who has to find the open man. Which, purely on the face of this subject, seems to have a much more effective and much more numbers gathering sound to it for guards now, than the inside out game of the past.
It probably also helps someone like Curry that almost all of his starting five can shoot the three to some degree. Really spaces out the floor to five defenders, versus, double the big man and find the other shooter days.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:21 pm to Goldrush25
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Thanks to analytics, we now know that the long two-point shot is one of the worst shots you can take in the NBA. No one knew this back when MJ played.
I was in high school when MJ played and every coach I had would lose it when we took long 2s so I don't buy this for a minute.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:22 pm to bgtiger
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hype
There it is, gents
Have a good night. We can all go home.
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:23 pm to bgtiger
quote:THey literally also talk about how much more complex and sophisticated today.
Literally every article cited has at least one or two caveats that let you know that all the hype they proclaim is not really new, and has been practiced for years.
Or better said, they literally say the complete opposite of what you're claiming.
quote:Read the one that talks about hand checking, then get back to me. If you don't see how it's different and more complex, you have zero reading comprehension, it's basically that simple.
Help defense, doubling a non ball handler or big man, still leaves a man open as it fricking always has, and only changes who has to find the open man. Which, purely on the face of this subject, seems to have a much more effective and much more numbers gathering sound to it for guards now, than the inside out game of the past.
quote:So floor spacing is better nowadays for not just GS, but most teams? Sounds like your defense better be more sophisticated to try and combat it.
It probably also helps someone like Curry that almost all of his starting five can shoot the three to some degree. Really spaces out the floor to five defenders, versus, double the big man and find the other shooter days.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:I mean, he's talking up articles I posted that directly talk about how much more complex defenses are today, but using that as his evidence, despite it being a 180 from what he's saying.
There it is, gents
Have a good night. We can all go home.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:26 pm to shel311
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I mean, he's talking up articles I posted that directly talk about how much more complex defenses are today, but using that as his evidence, despite it being a 180 from what he's saying.
It's a display of willful ignorance as marvel-worthy as Curry's gamewinner, tbh
Like WCA said, it's impressive.
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:29 pm to shel311
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Not sure there's much more we can do. As TBird said, dude won't change his mind, no matter how much evidence we post
You are trying to discuss strategy with someone who actually said "scouting reports are vastly unimportant".
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:31 pm to brgfather129
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"scouting reports are vastly unimportant"
So many gems of ridiculousness, so little time to address them all
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