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re: So You Want A College Football Playoff?
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:25 pm to BOSCEAUX
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:25 pm to BOSCEAUX
No playoff. It can't get better than watching Hawaii at three in the morning for s.o.s.
Baseball and basketball can be played every other day. Football once a week. The NFL takes forever with only 32 teams . You have never been to div ii playoff. Neither have your friends.
Nothing like lsumatt coming on before the networks in 07 and saying, "We're in!"
Baseball and basketball can be played every other day. Football once a week. The NFL takes forever with only 32 teams . You have never been to div ii playoff. Neither have your friends.
Nothing like lsumatt coming on before the networks in 07 and saying, "We're in!"
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Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The BCS is the greatest thing to ever happen to football, and it's not even close.
You would be wrong. Not even close...
while I'm a fan of the BCS, it's no forward pass
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:27 pm to chilge1
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And not one of them is half as interesting as the college football season.
For me it's not but the NFL is the most popular sport nationwide without question and the popularity was sparked by an epic playoff game.
There will never be anything close to the 64/68 game basketball style playoff in football. It will never come close to that.
I'd like to see an 8-game playoff personally.
Not even a 16 game playoff would relegate the regular season to irrelavancy. That argument is simply groundless.
In fact every argument against a playoff in college football I find to be groundless.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:33 pm to Tiger Ugly
i think if playoff happens - it will drive up viewing on other games--people in big numbers will watch football period. but if my team may be playing the winner of this other game - i would think more people will watch it. baseball proves that in playoff their ratings are much higher than regular season. i say take the major bowl games and make them the 1st round games. then add two more weeks. it would actually on be 1 more week than what is played now. all bowls keep heir games and ratings, more interest in their games natiowide then let us see how the tcus and boise states do
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:36 pm to chilge1
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A playoff system will kill the regular season...
Wrong. The 8 playoff teams would be chosen from the top 8 BCS rankings. Thus, every game counts to try to get into one of those 8 spots. In fact, the regular season would count even more because spots 3-8 would be relevant, which they aren't now.
This post was edited on 10/18/10 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 10/18/10 at 9:52 pm to yallallcrazy
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I think the current system actually crowns s better champion than many playoff- based systems do.
Can you imagine if John Clayton, Merrill Hodge, Mike & Mike, Colin Herd, & Peter King, etc... had voting power to determine who plays in the Super Bowl?
At the end of the regular season last year, they & the majority of the media thought the Vikings and the Colts were the two best teams in the NFL. That would have been the Super Bowl matchup. Favre vs Manning. The Saints lost 3 in a row to end the regular season. Do you realize how fricking unfair that would have been to the Saints & New Orleans? That's what happens every year in college football, and no one sees the mind-boggling injustice.
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Does the best team win March Madness? I'd say not.
Again, the wild-card Giants beat the 18-0 Pats in '08 Super Bowl. The Giants never would have been in that matchup had the media had a say-so. Should we have crowned the Pats the champs just because they won all of their regular season games, but didn't win in the championship game when it counted? In CFB, that's Ohio St every year who wins impressively in the regular season, but fails when it counts. Should LSU give them our crystal ball because they were the regular season champs? The best team is the last team standing. Even the Pats have said so.
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The current BCS that takes into account the body of work of the whole season is better IMO.
Again, the best team is the last team standing. You do realize that after we completely destroyed Ohio St, that a significant portion of the media thought USC was still the best team because they "looked better" beating Illinois 49-17. Opinion-driven bull-shite almost made us share a second title with the Trojans this decade, as the Trojans finished a super close 2nd. And think about it, we shared a fricking title with USC in '03-04. What kind of fricking system is that? They added the computer component to the polls to lessen human error opinion polls, and now everybody wants to get rid of the computer because they don't reflect the human polls enough. WTF?!
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Now in an ideal world I'd have no polls of any type until week 5.
You ever saw ESPN or SI's NFL Power Ranking polls? They do them every week. Even NFL.com and its sports-writers do them. Guess what? No one ever pays attention to them. Not one of them carry any weight. You know why? Because opinions are bullshite, and opinions never have any power in determining an NFL Champion. But delay it for 5 weeks, and it's ok in determining a CFB champion? Opinion Polls should never ever play a part in CFB. It's fricking bullshite.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:04 pm to chilge1
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A playoff system will kill the regular season
this is the most lame and regurgitated nonsense on the subject. Yes, you have a component of win-every-week in the regular season, but the right playoff formula retains the far majority. The main reason this is lame is because it ignores the lack of cross-correlation of teams/conferences necessary for the regular season to be a "playoff".
A playoff can and should occur, and it will once all the ignorant excuses wither away....but too far from now than what should be
collegefootballsolution
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Well, yeah, I mean, except for the fact that the BCS is the greatest thing to happen to football, like ever.
You would be wrong. Not even close...
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:19 pm to therocketscientist
as i say to all the gump fans around here when they bring a playoff up....
look at last season. gumps are 11-0 heading into the iron bowl, already clinched a berth in the SEC championship game. knowing all that matters for getting into the playoff is winning the sec championship, do they rest their starters against auburn because the outcome of the game is meaningless?
comparing college to the NFL leaves out some key factors. the NFL consists of 32 teams. the schedules are dictated by the league, and actually made to promote pairity and benefit the weaker teams from the previous season.
each team plays a comparable schedule to the other teams in its four team division.
does not happen in college.
some have mentioned the giants winning the super bowl over the pats who had a great regular season. does the fact they won a post season 'tournament' make them more deserving of being the champion that alabama last season, who participated in a one-game playoff?
i'd say that alabama proved it was the best over the course of a 14 game season, whereas the giants only proved to be above average during the regular season and then got hot at the right time in the tournament.
march madness? sure, college basketball is exciting for a month. course how much does casual fans filling out brackets have to do with that? i think it is similar to the NFL's relation to fantasy football. college football doesn't need a 'gimmick' to remain popular.
i'd be open to 4 or 8, or 16 if it was an improvement on the current system, but i really have yet to see anything that shows it would be.
look at last season. gumps are 11-0 heading into the iron bowl, already clinched a berth in the SEC championship game. knowing all that matters for getting into the playoff is winning the sec championship, do they rest their starters against auburn because the outcome of the game is meaningless?
comparing college to the NFL leaves out some key factors. the NFL consists of 32 teams. the schedules are dictated by the league, and actually made to promote pairity and benefit the weaker teams from the previous season.
each team plays a comparable schedule to the other teams in its four team division.
does not happen in college.
some have mentioned the giants winning the super bowl over the pats who had a great regular season. does the fact they won a post season 'tournament' make them more deserving of being the champion that alabama last season, who participated in a one-game playoff?
i'd say that alabama proved it was the best over the course of a 14 game season, whereas the giants only proved to be above average during the regular season and then got hot at the right time in the tournament.
march madness? sure, college basketball is exciting for a month. course how much does casual fans filling out brackets have to do with that? i think it is similar to the NFL's relation to fantasy football. college football doesn't need a 'gimmick' to remain popular.
i'd be open to 4 or 8, or 16 if it was an improvement on the current system, but i really have yet to see anything that shows it would be.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:20 pm to geauxbrown
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The television ratings will stink to high heaven. And once those ratings fall, so will the cash cow.
The ratings are tanking now, because they've turned classic bowls like the Orange and Rose and Sugar into a glorified NIT.
In fact, the Orange's ratings are downright abysmal the last few years. Nobody wants to watch an ACC-Big Least matchup...but they insist on letting those crappy conferences have autobids and that ruins the argument about nobody wanting to see Boise or TCU.
Posted on 10/18/10 at 10:21 pm to emanresu
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The 8 playoff teams would be chosen from the top 8 BCS rankings. Thus, every game counts to try to get into one of those 8 spots. In fact, the regular season would count even more because spots 3-8 would be relevant, which they aren't now.
They where in 2007 when LSU if you remember was ranked 7th and then after Kansas/Mizzo game and the Pitt/WVU games LSU jumped all the way to #2. The biggest night in the History of the BCS and LSU. So yes even now with LSU being ranked #6 any 3 above especialy if LSU beats Auburn and then 2 others loose LSU is either #3 or #2 maybe even #1. As a matter of fact both years LSU won they came from the #12 ranking to win it all and that is why they call it lucky number or ideal number to be ranked and Michigan St is there right now.
Right now the way it is depending on your SoS anywhere from #12 up is a good place to be NCG. All you need is to be ranked in the top #12 and you are in the BCS Bowl pool with only 2 teams from each BCS Conference.
I like the BCS if they would go to no early rankings then begin in Early October. That way you would have something to honestly rank the teams by.
The only problem with that is in the case of LSU this year. I wonder where they would have had LSU ranked this week since it would have been the first week and the way LSU has won it's games how would they have faired in the rankings by the voters? I thank not so good. What say you?
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:18 am to geauxbrown
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IMO, the quickest way to get a playoff system going is to see a Boise State or TCU not only make it to the BCSCG but win the entire thing. Up to this point it's all been fun and games. Utah knocks off Bama, Boise beats OU and so on.
The biggest gripe about the BCS is that the little guys have no chance. If 1 or both make it to the title game that complaint is gone, forever.
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However, seeing these not ready for prime time players in the biggest game of the season will force the hands of the larger conferences and the NCAA as well. The television ratings will stink to high heaven. And once those ratings fall, so will the cash cow.
this makes no sense, the ratings of 1 game, even 1 title game will not force any kind of change.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:21 am to LSUFreek
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the wild-card Giants beat the 18-0 Pats in '08 Super Bowl. The Giants never would have been in that matchup had the media had a say-so.
that would have been a good thing. Over 16 games the Giants proved they were not as good as Dallas, let alone NE. Anything can happen in 1 game, the Giants winnings makes the regular season meaningless.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:27 am to LSUFreek
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Again, the wild-card Giants beat the 18-0 Pats in '08 Super Bowl. The Giants never would have been in that matchup had the media had a say-so.
good
that is EXACTLY what i want to avoid
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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that is EXACTLY what i want to avoid
yep. I love how people argue that playoffs don't cheapen the regular season, but offer examples as why expansive playoffs are good that do just that.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:30 am to lsusa
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comparing college to the NFL leaves out some key factors. the NFL consists of 32 teams. the schedules are dictated by the league, and actually made to promote pairity and benefit the weaker teams from the previous season.
yes
and other than maybe 2 teams at the top and 2 teams at the bottom, most steams are not THAT different from each other
college football is tiered. a top 5 team is completely different than a top 25 team is completely different than a top 40 team. after that it's mostly just shite
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i'd be open to 4 or 8, or 16 if it was an improvement on the current system, but i really have yet to see anything that shows it would be.
i'm open to 4, for sure, but 4 teams, especially with the love being given to non-BCS schools, would lead to some weird stuff. plus the fight to determine how 4 teams gets in would be tough
8 is too many
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:32 am to s0tiger
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A playoff won't kill the regular season as long as it is limited to conference champs.
At least some people have a brain. No one is asking college football to go to a 82 game season. If you play 11-12 games and the only way to make the playoff is to win your conference every game matters and every team that gets in deserves it.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:33 am to AUTigLN11
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and the only way to make the playoff is to win your conference every game matters.
not every game matters. OOC games would mean absolutely nothing, and nobody would schedule any worth a shite
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm open to 4, for sure, but 4 teams, especially with the love being given to non-BCS schools, would lead to some weird stuff. plus the fight to determine how 4 teams gets in would be tough
4 would be ideal, it would avoid things like 03 and 04. No reason for it to be any different than the current set up.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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the only way to make the playoff is to win your conference every game
that's not true in conferences with a Champ Game. In 2001 LSU had the 3rd best SEC record but won that 1 special game. Its a joke were Champs over Fla who beat us at home 44-15 and had a better SEC record.
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schedule any worth a shite
Why do you always say this? I don't think it would be any different, look at basketball. If the games don't matter, there would be some big TV/money matchups.
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