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So the Lions lost entirely because the ref got his linemen confused then lied?
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:34 am
70 reported all game to make the Cowboys think he was the guy. He jogged toward the ref on the 2 pt conversion to trick the Cowboys again while 68 actually reported. The ref's brain didn't work and he just kept thinking 70.
68 was in legal formation (uncovered) after reporting and went out to catch a pass while 70 stayed at the line and blocked, which is what he was supposed to do. Ref threw the flag and said 68 never reported but 70 did, which did not happen. If he had gotten that right, Lions take the lead and get to finish out the game.
68 was in legal formation (uncovered) after reporting and went out to catch a pass while 70 stayed at the line and blocked, which is what he was supposed to do. Ref threw the flag and said 68 never reported but 70 did, which did not happen. If he had gotten that right, Lions take the lead and get to finish out the game.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:37 am to Thundercles
Beginning to think there might be some merit to the “NFL is fixed” conspiracies. That one was just obvious as hell.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:42 am to Thundercles
It seems the ref screwed up and cost the Lions the game.
With that being said, I don’t think it’s wise to have your game-deciding play entirely rely on a sneaky “eligible receiver” scheme that requires pre-snap coordination with the ref. There’s too much that can go wrong with that, like what happened last night. You have a professional offense and need to pickup 2 yards. You must have a play that’s equally as effective and less risky.
With that being said, I don’t think it’s wise to have your game-deciding play entirely rely on a sneaky “eligible receiver” scheme that requires pre-snap coordination with the ref. There’s too much that can go wrong with that, like what happened last night. You have a professional offense and need to pickup 2 yards. You must have a play that’s equally as effective and less risky.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:45 am to Jon Ham
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With that being said, I don’t think it’s wise to have your game-deciding play entirely rely on a sneaky “eligible receiver” scheme that requires pre-snap coordination with the ref. There’s too much that can go wrong with that
I mean...the ref knew this play was likely coming because Campbell discussed it with him before the game even started.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:46 am to Jon Ham
Or, you ask a professional referee making more money that any of us on here to do his job correctly or be reprimanded for it. His decision could cost other individuals their jobs or millions of dollars. It should cost him if he blew it and it’s all on film proving the Lions did it right.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:47 am to Thundercles
The NFL needs to make officials full-time. It’s ridiculous that with all the money that the league makes, they’re still relying on part-time officials. That alone would make a world of difference.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:47 am to Jon Ham
Yeah it’s foolish to expect refs to do their job
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:47 am to Thundercles
It’s becoming obvious that the ref screwed this up and is in CYA mode..
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:49 am to NWLATigerFan12
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Or, you ask a professional referee making more money that any of us on here to do his job correctly or be reprimanded for it.
This.
That ref's oversight potentially cost the Lions the #1 overall seed in the playoffs.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:49 am to Jon Ham
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, I don’t think it’s wise to have your game-deciding play entirely rely on a sneaky “eligible receiver” scheme that requires pre-snap coordination with the ref
That's exactly when you do those plays.
How about the nfl and their almost 20 billion dollar league get some better refs so a coach doesn't have to hamstring his playback because the ref is an idiot
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:50 am to RollTide1987
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I mean...the ref knew this play was likely coming because Campbell discussed it with him before the game even started
A lot of casual viewers, and even more serious viewers, don’t realize this happens. From high school all the way up to pros, there’s a meeting between referees and head coach where the coach has an opportunity to give the refs a heads up on anything “out of the ordinary” they might do which could confuse an official in the heat of the moment. Also get to say if the other team does anything that could cause concern, like getting away with illegal formations and such in high school/lower levels. That’s pretty common and that meeting can help refs to look for things coaches have seen on film.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:50 am to boston vol
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The NFL needs to make officials full-time. It’s ridiculous that with all the money that the league makes, they’re still relying on part-time officials. That alone would make a world of difference.
This is my crazy conspiracy take but I think the NFL keeps part time / incompetent refs on purpose so they can use them as the scapegoat and also influence games / seasons as they need to. With the amount of money the NFL makes it's only a willful decision that keeps officiating as bad as it is.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:53 am to NWLATigerFan12
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A lot of casual viewers, and even more serious viewers, don’t realize this happens.
The first I had ever heard of this was after New Orleans won the Super Bowl and they were showing clips of Sean Payton casually explaining their out of halftime onside kick to the refs. To 99% of people it looks like a crazy scheme cooked up in the locker room, but this was planned for days.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 11:54 am to Thundercles
When I saw that, I was like damn that's a lot of trust to put into those refs
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:03 pm to bamabenny
quote:dive head first. it's ridiculous people cant see it at this point. guess what? the real world is much worse.
Beginning to think there might be some merit to the “NFL is fixed” conspiracies
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:05 pm to Jones
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When I saw that, I was like damn that's a lot of trust to put into those refs
It's part of their job description though. It's the only reason why they meet with coaches before the game. If they can't do the job then they shouldn't be out there officiating.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:21 pm to Thundercles
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If he had gotten that right, Lions take the lead and get to finish out the game.
I agree that most indications point to the ref screwed up. The only issue I see is watching the interaction several times it does not look like 68 actually got the referee's attention. Ensuring the ref is hearing what you are saying and acknowledges it is probably on the player.
I also do not agree it is a foregone conclusion that the Lions would have scored if the ref was aware and properly acted on 68 reporting. He would have informed the Dallas defense that 68 was eligible just like he did with 70. Dallas being told 68 was eligible would likely have changed the dynamic of the play significantly.
I honestly think the issue was that for whatever reason the ref did not process that 68 was checking in as eligible. If my conclusion is correct 68 misread the situation and did not catch the attention of the ref.
Given the speed and complexity of the modern game I agree refs should be full time so they can spend all week studying the tendencies of each team and player and I also think the number of refs on the field should increase to 9 or maybe even 11. 7 refs just can't keep eyes on 22 players at all times.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:25 pm to Thundercles
League has refused to care about officiating for decades now, it's a feature not a bug.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:27 pm to Thundercles
The ref screwed up but if the Cowboys would have been told 68 was an eligible receiver, maybe they cover him. Plus it was an illegal formation with only 6 players on the line.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 12:45 pm to Thundercles
I can see where it could have been somewhat confusing but this was clearly incompetence on the ref. You had 2 guys (68 and 58) coming up to the ref where they were already on the field. And the ref if you watch his head, clearly sees 70 come off the sideline. He sees that and I think assumes 70 is the one they are reporting. Dumb.
This officiating crew has had some really shitty games. Reminds me of Marc Curles in the SEC.
This officiating crew has had some really shitty games. Reminds me of Marc Curles in the SEC.
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