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Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:27 am to LNCHBOX
You're an idiot
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:29 am to slackster
quote:If you've outperformed your current contract, always do it.
but what is your opinion on a player missing games while under contract?
There's a reason this isn't done in baseball and basketball, the guaranteed money.
quote:It's hypocritical to lose respect for a player for this but not bat an eye when a team cuts a player with 2 years and $10mil left on his contract IMO.
but it's hypocritical to ask to be paid for your “leadership" while missing regular season games and likely directly costing your team a win on Sunday
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:31 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Do you say this every time a team cuts a guy for not living up to a contract?
Then he shouldn't have signed it.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:32 am to Chad504boy
Not good for Hawks especially with Packers coming up. He proved his point and should honor his contract while missing preseason. He will get paid next go round.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:36 am to shel311
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Do you say this every time a team cuts a guy for not living up to a contract?
It's in his contract that they can do that. They still overpaid him while he was underperforming. Has a team ever gone back and taken money back after a guy sucked?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:41 am to JG77056
Easy stance when it's not your money.
Now make it the job you have right now, assume it's a multi-year contract deal.
Make everything else the same. Your employer can fire you anytime they want. And you know if you refuse to go to work, they'll likely end up paying you what you deserve. It would be fiscally irresponsible of you not to hold out for more money.
Now make it the job you have right now, assume it's a multi-year contract deal.
Make everything else the same. Your employer can fire you anytime they want. And you know if you refuse to go to work, they'll likely end up paying you what you deserve. It would be fiscally irresponsible of you not to hold out for more money.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:42 am to shel311
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Make everything else the same. Your employer can fire you anytime they want. And you know if you refuse to go to work, they'll likely end up paying you what you deserve. It would be fiscally irresponsible of you not to hold out for more money.
Apples to T-bone steak
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:48 am to KosmoCramer
quote:It's not.
Apples to T-bone steak
People seem to think just because you make a lot of money, guys shouldn't feel the need to deserve their market value.
You want to be paid what you're worth, doesn't matter if you're making $50K a year or $50mil a year.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:50 am to shel311
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:50 am to slackster
Seattle doesn't really have a choice, they can't be renegotiating long-term deals one year into them. It would open up the flood gates. If they were to give in to Chancellor, who's to say that Sherman, Wagner, Thomas, Wright, etc. who all just signed 4 year deals wouldn't be holding out after this year.
They have a policy that they won't renegotiate contracts with multiple years left on them. Chancellor has 3 years left on a 4 year deal and already isn't happy with it. Paul Allen stepped up and said that the Seahawks aren't going to negotiate, so he's gotta show up or lose game checks at this point.
They have a policy that they won't renegotiate contracts with multiple years left on them. Chancellor has 3 years left on a 4 year deal and already isn't happy with it. Paul Allen stepped up and said that the Seahawks aren't going to negotiate, so he's gotta show up or lose game checks at this point.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:52 am to TDawg1313
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:55 am to shel311
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People seem to think just because you make a lot of money, guys shouldn't feel the need to deserve their market value.
What? Nobody has said that. We've said he signed a deal a year ago. If he thought he was worth more then he shouldn't have signed it. Nobody forced him to sign it. Was he planning on signing the contract and then sucking or did he actually think he would play well?
If it's my job and I sign a contract and my employer can fire me anytime I want, I'm gonna show up to work. Especially if this company holds my rights for the next 3 years. That's why your analogy doesn't work.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:57 am to moneyg
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The problem is that Chancellor has zero leverage and is hurting himself.
He has leverage after yesterday. Their backup to him arguably lost the game for them. Or he was a major contributing factor. That one play aside, the secondary got carved up without him and looked lost without his leadership.
I expect he will get a new deal this week.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:58 am to TDawg1313
quote:If they don't, they could lose Chancellor, and just because of that doesn't at all mean that those other guys won't hold out anyway.
Seattle doesn't really have a choice, they can't be renegotiating long-term deals one year into them. It would open up the flood gates. If they were to give in to Chancellor, who's to say that Sherman, Wagner, Thomas, Wright, etc. who all just signed 4 year deals wouldn't be holding out after this year.
Free agents also see stuff like that and it'll hurt SEA's bargaining power to know the team won't renegotiate.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:59 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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How many years left on his K did Marshawn have when he renegotiated?
I believe 2, but they didn't give in and give Lynch more money, they just restructured it and moved money around. Chancellor wants more money.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:00 pm to JG77056
quote:I'm 99% sure the "apples to T-bone steaks" comment was saying exactly that.
What? Nobody has said that.
quote:Even if there's a long list of guys who have doubled and tripled their salaries doing the same thing? And the downside is it doesn't work, you lose a few bucks that doesn't hurt you in any meaningful way? Seems like a no brainer to me.
If it's my job and I sign a contract and my employer can fire me anytime I want, I'm gonna show up to work. Especially if this company holds my rights for the next 3 years. That's why your analogy doesn't work.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:02 pm to shel311
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If they don't, they could lose Chancellor, and just because of that doesn't at all mean that those other guys won't hold out anyway.
If Seattle stands firm, there's a much greater chance that players don't try to hold out in the future. If they give in, they're going to have to deal with this a whole lot more.
They structured Kam's deal with a lot of money up front so they could afford the guys they've been extending. Now that he got his money up front, he wants more money on the back end of his deal. It doesn't work that way. Not when you have a salary cap to deal with.
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Free agents also see stuff like that and it'll hurt SEA's bargaining power to know the team won't renegotiate.
Eh, I highly doubt they'd be worried about that.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:03 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
yep plus all the guys that got paid around him
lol i wonder if they could come together and say hey take 1 or 2 mill out of each ours and give to kam? lol doubt it
lol i wonder if they could come together and say hey take 1 or 2 mill out of each ours and give to kam? lol doubt it
Posted on 9/14/15 at 12:04 pm to slackster
I don't blame either side. It is what it is. Seahawks don't want to be held hostage each time they work out a palatable contract for their organization and Kam wants to be paid like the elite player he is. Something has got to give or they have to agree to open up negotiations again sooner rather than later. I'd actually be interested to see what happens on a really extended hold out.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 12:06 pm
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