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re: Snell of Tampa Bay will not play for a paltry $5 million this year
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:11 pm to RollDatRoll
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:11 pm to RollDatRoll
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They wouldn't be cancelling bc of a pandemic. They would be cancelling bc they couldn't figure out the money during a shortened season. In this time, the common man is furloughing, laid off, or working their arse off to keep their head above water, and it won't sit well that these guys (owners and players) can't figure it out.
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the players need to keep their mouth shut. Whether or not they are right or wrong about this issue, they aren't winning any PR battles making comments like this.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:15 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:they are pretty right fwiw
Whether or not they are right or wrong about this issue,
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:06 pm to VA LSU fan
It's not as simple as one side being right and one side being wrong, but it's odd to me that people celebrate players in these situations. Why would the players deserve even 50% of revenue without assuming any of the overhead?
This is slightly unrelated, but it's also strange when a guy gets celebrated for holding out or asking for more money while he's still under contract. Why shouldn't he have to honor the contract he signed? His employer does. These guys are not victims in any way, shape, or form. Ppl just like the players more than the owners so this narrative that they're always getting screwed gets thrown out there. It's really dumb.
This is slightly unrelated, but it's also strange when a guy gets celebrated for holding out or asking for more money while he's still under contract. Why shouldn't he have to honor the contract he signed? His employer does. These guys are not victims in any way, shape, or form. Ppl just like the players more than the owners so this narrative that they're always getting screwed gets thrown out there. It's really dumb.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:21 pm to Drew Brews
quote:because without the players the product wouldn’t nearly make as much money
Why would the players deserve even 50% of revenue without assuming any of the overhead?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:37 pm to Drew Brews
quote:I don't think anyone is arguing for them getting a long term 50/50 split
Why would the players deserve even 50% of revenue without assuming any of the overhead?
quote:this only happens in the NFL where the vast majority of salaries are not guaranteed and teams can cut players whenever and the player then loses money. Holding out is virtually unheard of in the NBA or MLB where salaries are fully guaranteed
but it's also strange when a guy gets celebrated for holding out or asking for more money while he's still under contract. Why shouldn't he have to honor the contract he signed? His employer does.
quote:and they arent greedy and/or deserve the criticism they largely get
These guys are not victims in any way, shape, or form
quote:LMAO. People largely take the owners side when it comes to this stuff
Ppl just like the players more than the owners so this narrative that they're always getting screwed gets thrown out there. It's really dumb.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:44 pm to WestCoastAg
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they arent greedy
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:45 pm to RollDatRoll
If they are greedy then what are the owners?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:48 pm to WestCoastAg
They are both being greedy. I don't think either side looks good.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 2:51 pm to RollDatRoll
And I think both sides are simply doing what everyone would do. They are negotiating and trying to get the best deal. If it actually falls through then fine, that's one thing but thats unlikely at this point
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:05 pm to Epic Cajun
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A prorated salary would be "fair" assuming that the revenue generated by the MLB was going to be equal to past years
That’s not their labor deal. NBA & NFL negotiated a deal that player contracts are worth a certain % of the revenue generated.
MLB doesn’t have that. Regardless of revenue mlb teams are free to spend into the red on signing players.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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because without the players the product wouldn’t nearly make as much money
Without the owners there is no product
I mean I’m sure some guys could get together a bandwagon tour pulling Harlem globetrotter like stuff but high schoolers and kids fresh out of college and even 10 year vets ain’t fronting the costs of concessions, park and facilities maintenance etc.
Without a wealthy benefactor these guys are side show acts or selling insurance.
Players want to take their ball and go home? 90% of owners say ok and go back to their business.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:19 pm to WestCoastAg
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And I think both sides are simply doing what everyone would do. They are negotiating and trying to get the best deal.
While I get it players like snell come off as massive pricks here.
Even if you don’t like the owners position their position and profit isn’t what makes the headlines. It’s a player complaining about making millions to play a game in the midst of fans losing their jobs and livelihoods
Players are kinda in a no win situation other than putting a smile on and build goodwill.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:24 pm to Adam Banks
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Without the owners there is no product
Yeah no owners no sports. There’s no market there.
We can’t find anyone willing to invest in sports teams.
#TDneedsajerkmeoffemoji
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:24 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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We can’t find anyone willing to invest in sports teams.
In other words an owner?
If you can point me to a largely successful player co op league I’ll be happy to be proven wrong
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:26 pm to hendersonshands
The # of people who take up for the owners each time a spat between players and owners crops up is always stunning. The players agreed to a prorated portion; I'm not sure why Joe Blow thinks they should chop to a smaller portion simply because the average person doesn't make anywhere close to that. The "risking my life" phrase deserves an eye roll, but I'm with the players on not wanting revenue sharing.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:30 pm to Adam Banks
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In other words an owner?
My friend sports teams are profit generating companies and have the added value of being shiny toys that billionaires wave in front of other billionaires faces.
Robert Kraft is more easily replaceable than Tom Brady. This “no owners no product” thing is bullshite
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:36 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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My friend sports teams are profit generating companies and have the added value of being shiny toys that billionaires wave in front of other billionaires faces.
As I said they need a wealthy benefactor to fund them. The wealthy benefactor wants to play hardball. If their skill had such inherent value without the billionaire that they could make millions without them I’m sure they would do so. As it is they are beholden to their benefactor.
Said billionaire as you said has no need for the team. It’s just a fun status symbol hobby like a yacht.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 6:50 pm to Adam Banks
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I said they need a wealthy benefactor to fund them.
Fund?! Sports teams in America don’t typically lose money. They fund themselves.
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If their skill had such inherent value without the billionaire that they could make millions without them I’m sure they would do so.
Their skill does have that value. Owners meetings don’t get ratings, games get ratings.
Tom, Rita, Gina, Flo, flam bo bina could own the Saints or pelicans and it really wouldn’t matter. Same goes for the patriots, cowboys, and every other pro team.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 7:05 pm to Adam Banks
quote:and the owners are billionaires doing everything they can to pay their employees less
It’s a player complaining about making millions to play a game in the midst of fans losing their jobs and livelihoods
Posted on 5/14/20 at 7:07 pm to Adam Banks
quote:you are acting like MLB isnt a monopoly and hasnt time and time again crushed opposing leagues throughout its history by anti trust shite
As I said they need a wealthy benefactor to fund them. The wealthy benefactor wants to play hardball. If their skill had such inherent value without the billionaire that they could make millions without them I’m sure they would do so. As it is they are beholden to their benefactor.
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