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Skenes now has a splitter/sinker and it’s basically unhittable

Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15846 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:36 pm
Not sure when he developed it as I don’t remember him having it with LSU, but it’s nasty.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43660 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:58 pm to
Might not have perfected that pitch and he was so dominant at LSU he really didn't need it
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57484 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:19 pm to
That's normal and healthy, and it's old school for pitchers to rely on heaters until they develop more before learning new pitches. It protects their arm more in the long term. Too many coaches abuse young pitchers these days like a rented mule to win games (teaching them these pitches too early), killing their long-term careers.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85476 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:23 pm to
The splinker is nasty as hell and definitely didn’t exist in this form at LSU, if at all.
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1622 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:28 pm to
Don’t understand modern baseball. Dude had a no no into the 7th. Annnnnnd they yank him. Like he couldn’t have gone 9 more outs. Wtf.
Posted by GalacticaCannon
Member since Aug 2022
2996 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:32 pm to
He was at 100 pitches through 6. No reason to potentially wind up with 140 pitches trying to get a no-no.
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1622 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:36 pm to
Dudes in his young 20’s, has arm for days and can no no on his second start. I mean come on. Go for it.
Posted by Eternalmajin
Member since Jun 2008
13132 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:39 pm to
It's 1 game of a 3000 game season, finishing a no-no means jack shite in the long run compared to the wear and tear it adds.
Posted by Stastny
Member since Jul 2014
669 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:41 pm to
You don’t mortgage a future ace for 1 game
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1622 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:47 pm to
Completely and utterly disagree. That big boy? He’s not good for another 20? I mean come on. He was dealing.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
62426 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Completely and utterly disagree. That big boy? He’s not good for another 20? I mean come on. He was dealing.


What good would 20 pitches have done?

He needed three more innings to get the complete game, and finish the no hit bid.

At the pace he was going, he would have needed 45 pitches or so to finish the game.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
35016 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:52 pm to
Guy at work insisted they had to let him finish. I said no will they let him throw that m any pitches.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30491 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:55 pm to
Not to be completely merciless, but why do the Pirates care about long term ramifications? No chance they retain him once he's eligible for free agency. What are they preserving him for? The Yankees' or Dodgers' benefit?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
204155 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:55 pm to
And that’s
What’s wrong with baseball today.. protect the pitchers at all cost…
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45240 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:59 pm to
Johan Santana 2012 game log

This is why teams don't push pitchers to chase unnecessary no hitters in the regular season. Santana threw a 134 pitch no hitter on 6/1/2012. That was his season high pitch count by 26. This was his 11th start of the season.

First 11 starts: 68 IP, 2.35 ERA, 2.79 FIP, 68/21 K/BB ratio

10 starts after that: 49 IP, 8.27 ERA, 5
89 FIP, 45/18 K/BB ratio

He never threw another pitch in the majors after that. Sean Newcomb got up to 140ish pitches chasing a no hitter in 2018 and was never the same pitcher again.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45240 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Not to be completely merciless, but why do the Pirates care about long term ramifications? No chance they retain him once he's eligible for free agency. What are they preserving him for? The Yankees' or Dodgers' benefit?


They're going to have him for another 6 years before he hits free agency. They're going to try and build a contender around Skenes, Jared Jones, and Mitch Keller over that time. If Skenes and Jones live up to their potential, having those three at the top of a pitching rotation is a hell of a place to start.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30491 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:08 pm to
And I can go through MLB history and produce scads of 125+ pitch no-hit/CG outings by pitchers who went on to Hall of Fame careers.
Posted by littleavery1948
Member since Oct 2014
2761 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:14 pm to
Looking forward to him facing Ohtani and Judge
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9754 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:15 pm to
If you throw fastballs, you can probably get by. It’s when you throw balls with movement that mess your arm up. Nolan Ryan threw with power and that’s why he was as durable as he was.
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15846 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 4:20 pm to
Nolan had a nasty curveball
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