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Six games into his $100m reign, Jon Gruden looks a disaster for the Raiders

Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:23 am
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4181 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:23 am
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Gruden arrived in Oakland espousing all of the Grudenisms that made him in one instance entertaining, in another a caricature. He promised to Make Football Great Again, restoring the 1990s tough, physical style that eludes the self-entitled young pups these days. “I’m trying to throw the game back to 1998,” he told reporters in February, shortly after his appointment to the Raiders job.

Indeed, Gruden went on a media blitz prior to the start of the season. He wasn’t out of touch, he said. A decade away from coaching was nothing. If anything, his time away was an advantage, Gruden’s defenders would have you believe. He had spent all that free-time cycling through the league cherry-picking the best components from everyone else’s program. What could go wrong?

As it turns out, pretty much everything.

The Raiders have sunk to 1-5 this season, and are bottom of the AFC West. Gruden traded the team’s star, Khalil Mack, a future Hall of Fame edge-rusher at the peak of his athletic powers, in part because his owner didn’t have the cash on hand to put the guaranteed portion of any Mack extension into escrow (as is mandated by NFL rules). Gruden shipped the brilliant pass-rusher to Chicago … then grumbled about the difficulties of finding a brilliant pass-rusher.

The situation looks ever worse when you consider that there was a genuine debate not that long ago about which team had the most potential in the league: Jacksonville or Oakland. The Jaguars were deeper, but the Raiders had Mack and quarterback Derek Carr, two building blocks that would get any coach excited.

Six weeks into the 2018 season, all that hope has evaporated. Mack is gone and the Raiders must do their best without him. That leaves Carr, who has hit a worrying slump. Part of Gruden’s appeal was that he could elevate Carr’s game. In Carr’s first three seasons in the league, he tossed 81 touchdowns to 31 interceptions. He completed 60% of his throws, averaging 6.5 yards per attempt, both fine figures. He was even a fringe MVP candidate in 2016.

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Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76526 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:24 am to
It's called rebuilding.
Posted by Nonetheless
Luka doncic = goat
Member since Jan 2012
33004 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:26 am to
You don't trade away Khalil Mack to rebuild
Posted by Bamafan24
Huntsville
Member since Oct 2014
8283 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:31 am to
quote:

You don't trade away Khalil Mack to rebuild



I think after the trade he mentioned the lack of a pass rush lol. Trading HoF talent isnt a good decision.
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
4330 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:35 am to
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You don't trade away Khalil Mack to rebuild


Why?

By the time the Raiders will actually be good again Mack will be in his 30's. His value will only go down. Given how short NFL careers are I would say that Mack is precisely who you trade if you want to rebuild.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51630 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:35 am to
You guys have become obsessed with gruden. Good lord
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119222 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:35 am to
He's been out of football for a decade. Only UT and Oakland fans thought that was a good idea.


With that said, last year in Oakland, building for LV, and redoing the roster. Takes time.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60374 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:39 am to
Trying to change a culture takes bold moves. It might be a massive failure, but calling it one just 6 games in is unfair to anyone. How was Saban doing 6 games into his tenure at Bama? That’s around the time he lost to ULM isn’t it? Weren’t we all laughing at him/Bama the same way at that time?

How’d that work out?
Posted by ExArmyVetIRISHFan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2017
517 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:39 am to
Yeah, seems 18-0 and Super Bowl Champs in his first year was expected?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84991 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:39 am to
quote:

By the time the Raiders will actually be good again Mack will be in his 30's. His value will only go down. Given how short NFL careers are I would say that Mack is precisely who you trade if you want to rebuild.


Apparently Gruden came in and thought the team was trash, hence the Mack trade. They're tanking for the draft and trying to be good again in Las Vegas.

I can believe that. Carr is terrible.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70943 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:42 am to
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his owner didn’t have the cash on hand to put the guaranteed portion of any Mack extension into escrow


So Gruden wanted to keep Mack?
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19825 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:52 am to
That’s exactly what you do. Draft!!
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61834 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:58 am to
quote:


You don't trade away Khalil Mack to rebuild
What? That's exactly what you do.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71426 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:00 pm to
They caught fire in a bottle in 2016.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:00 pm to
He's 6 games in. If they were 6-0 people would be overreacting the other way. Besides, if you aren't a Raiders fan why even care?
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:02 pm to
Carr isn’t terrible. As mentioned 2 years ago he was a fringe MVP candidate
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7212 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

I think after the trade he mentioned the lack of a pass rush lol. Trading HoF talent isnt a good decisio


But he didn't want to be there
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84991 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Carr isn’t terrible. As mentioned 2 years ago he was a fringe MVP candidate


He had one good season. He's average at best. That won't cut it.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:09 pm to
His struggles should surprise no one.

He was overrated more than a decade ago when he last coached. And nobody gets better at coaching in a TV booth.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30111 posts
Posted on 10/20/18 at 12:11 pm to
They're not going to keep him. Book it.

You had no choice but to trade away mack. You were below average defensively with him on a rookie deal. You can't afford to pay him and get better.
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