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re: Sit down everyone, I want to tell you a story about the 1993 college football season...
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:52 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:52 pm to RollTide1987
If we had the same format, it would be:
Michigan vs Washington in the Rose Bowl for the championship this year.
and Im guessing...
Texas in the cotton vs UGA?
Alabama vs ohio state in sugar?
florida state in the orange vs ok state?
FSU would probably be able to be co-champs with Orange Bowl win.
Michigan vs Washington in the Rose Bowl for the championship this year.
and Im guessing...
Texas in the cotton vs UGA?
Alabama vs ohio state in sugar?
florida state in the orange vs ok state?
FSU would probably be able to be co-champs with Orange Bowl win.
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:53 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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West Virginia would be national champs if they won their bowl game.
No they wouldn't have been. At best they could have gotten a split as the Orange Bowl that season was #1 Florida State vs. #2 Nebraska. West Virginia was #3. Why would the polls DROP Florida State from #1 after beating #2 in the bowl game?
Also...that completely ignores 11-1 Notre Dame finishing #2 behind Florida State despite beating them straight up in South Bend that November.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:54 pm to RollTide1987
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Those rankings would not hold for long as #1 Notre Dame would be upset the very next week by #17 Boston College by the score of 31-29.
What people forget about this turn of events was that Notre Dame had played Boston College the year before and humiliated them 54-7 by blatantly running up the score. They were still throwing for TDs late in a game that was already decided and even ran a fake punt late in the 4th quarter to pile on. It was all some weird Catholic intellectual Jesuits versus sidewalk alumni with 10 kids thing that Holtz got into.
Anyway, Boston College and Tom Coughlin circled the rematch on the calendar and brought out that army when top ranked ND paraded in Boston in 1993. It was just desserts and the nouveau Notre Dame hype had worn out it's welcome by that time.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:56 pm to RollTide1987
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No they wouldn't have been. At best they could have gotten a split as the Orange Bowl that season was #1 Florida State vs. #2 Nebraska. West Virginia was #3. Why would the polls DROP Florida State from #1 after beating #2 in the bowl game?
Also...that completely ignores 11-1 Notre Dame finishing #2 behind Florida State despite beating them straight up in South Bend that November.
There's no guarantee that WVU would've even gotten a share. We saw that the very next year when undefeated Penn St DID win their bowl game.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:56 pm to RollTide1987
FSU's 93 strength of schedule was middle of the road. ACC teams were all severely overrated and that includes Miami. The UF game was their only true quality win in the regular season - UF had a key moment to get a stop in that game and Warrick Dunn busted a long run and that was pretty much it - some people consider the crowd noise leading to that play to be the loudest in the history of Ben Hill Griffin. The FSU v UF games in 91, 93, 95, 97, 99 were all incredibly loud.
FSU took the easy road back in those days and Bowden admitted it - they had the chance to go to the SEC and backed down because Bowden knew they would drop a game every year and get knocked out of title contention. He saw what UF had to deal with and wanted no part of it.
FSU getting bumped from this playoff is karma.
Also, FSU has been known for many years to intentionally go out to injure opponents. Everything that is happening to FSU right now is just a small, partial payment of karma.
FSU took the easy road back in those days and Bowden admitted it - they had the chance to go to the SEC and backed down because Bowden knew they would drop a game every year and get knocked out of title contention. He saw what UF had to deal with and wanted no part of it.
FSU getting bumped from this playoff is karma.
Also, FSU has been known for many years to intentionally go out to injure opponents. Everything that is happening to FSU right now is just a small, partial payment of karma.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 12:56 pm to RollTide1987
Most people admit that Kanell has a lot of shite takes even if they agree with him in this one particular argument. And yes it is hypocritical for him to have benefited from this kind of thing in his playing days and then turn around and cry foul when his beloved FSU is on the other side of the coin.
He's not wrong in his assertion that the CFP is an invitational and not a true playoff. My personal opinion is we either should have stayed with the bowl system we had before the BCS or even the Coalition and just say "we're CFB, this is how we do it even if there's always controversy, that's part of the fun" or have a true playoff with every conference getting an auto bid plus wildcards like the FCS does, like High School, like NFL, like March Madness, like baseball, etc.
Once they decided to try to create actual championship games to decide the national champion on the field and eventually playoffs, it resulted in a bastardization of both systems because they tried to keep the bowls for $$$ so the end result was some weird hybrid that devalued all the non playoff bowls as evidenced by the increase of players opting out of them but still not having a true playoff as evidenced by undefeated teams being left out of them.
He's not wrong in his assertion that the CFP is an invitational and not a true playoff. My personal opinion is we either should have stayed with the bowl system we had before the BCS or even the Coalition and just say "we're CFB, this is how we do it even if there's always controversy, that's part of the fun" or have a true playoff with every conference getting an auto bid plus wildcards like the FCS does, like High School, like NFL, like March Madness, like baseball, etc.
Once they decided to try to create actual championship games to decide the national champion on the field and eventually playoffs, it resulted in a bastardization of both systems because they tried to keep the bowls for $$$ so the end result was some weird hybrid that devalued all the non playoff bowls as evidenced by the increase of players opting out of them but still not having a true playoff as evidenced by undefeated teams being left out of them.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:01 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't actually
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:03 pm to RollTide1987
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At best they could have gotten a split
So? Those weren't unheard of back then.
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Why would the polls DROP Florida State from #1 after beating #2 in the bowl game?
Same reason the committee dropped an undefeated team after a ranked win.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:03 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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So? Those weren't unheard of back then.
So why didn't Penn St get a split the very next year in 94?
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
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When Danny Kanell was confronted about this on Twitter last night, he brought up Florida State's strength of schedule (which was pretty solid mind you) as the reason why FSU got in over WVU.
I love it.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:14 pm to GoGators1995
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So why didn't Penn St get a split the very next year in 94?
But Nebraska got one in 1997.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:15 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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But Nebraska got one in 1997.
That doesn't answer the question.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:15 pm to KiwiHead
If you’re looking at it blindly -
Both teams have one lose.
One team lost a close one to #1 team on the road.
The other lost a close one to #17 team.
You’d give preference to the team that lose to #1.
Both teams have one lose.
One team lost a close one to #1 team on the road.
The other lost a close one to #17 team.
You’d give preference to the team that lose to #1.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:17 pm to RollTide1987
All I know is college football was infinitely better in 1993. It used to be way more likable.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:21 pm to WaterLink
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He's not wrong in his assertion that the CFP is an invitational and not a true playoff.
It's better than the bowl system and it's better than the BCS.
The problem has always been this insane desire to protect bowl games. That's a University problem. Offering a 4-game playoff for 5 power 5 conferences to protect the regular season and the bowls interest has backfired.
Players don't want to play in these games and 4 teams in a playoff has never been enough.
The presidents, ADs, and so-called 3 conference "Alliance," got exactly what they bargained for.
There's some history for you sheep.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:38 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Actually Nebraska was 1 and FSU was 2, and the rankings were determined by total points in the two major polls. It isn’t like someone or a small group of people assigned those specific rankings.
And yet, when the final Bowl Coalition rankings were released in 1993, this is how everything shook out:
1. Florida State (11-1)
2. Nebraska (11-0)
3. West Virginia (11-0)
4. Notre Dame (10-1)
Florida State was 3rd in the coaches poll and first in the AP, Nebraska was 1 and 2, West Virginia was 2 and 3. So you have the AP poll to thank for FSU getting in that year.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:41 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Yes, by coincidence because neither of their conferences nor the Rose Bowl were part of the coalition.
If we had the same format, it would be: Michigan vs Washington in the Rose Bowl for the championship this year.
Posted on 12/5/23 at 1:56 pm to MOT
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Florida State was 3rd in the coaches poll and first in the AP, Nebraska was 1 and 2, West Virginia was 2 and 3. So you have the AP poll to thank for FSU getting in that year.
Actually, you have the organizers of the Orange Bowl to thank for that because it was the bowls themselves who still determined the match-ups, not computers or voters or a Committee. And this is why they did it:
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Undefeated Nebraska was assured of a spot in the national championship game. The organizers chose Florida State as the Cornhuskers' Orange Bowl opponent, feeling that the Seminoles’ pattern of dominant victories outweighed Notre Dame's head-to-head win and West Virginia's undefeated record. (Florida State had easily beaten Miami and Maryland, two teams which the Mountaineers struggled to beat.)
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:13 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Nope, if they weren’t ranked #1 in the AP poll, which created a significant gap in points between them and West Virginia, then WVU would have come out second in the coalition rankings and played Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. The Big 8 champ was tied to the Orange Bowl but the ACC and Big East weren’t tied to any of the large bowls which would create the 1 v 2 matchup when possible. That’s how you faced Miami in the Sugar Bowl the year before.
Actually, you have the organizers of the Orange Bowl to thank for that because it was the bowls themselves who still determined the match-ups, not computers or voters or a Committee. And this is why they did it:
Posted on 12/5/23 at 2:30 pm to RollTide1987
You want to know how I know that you don't know how the BCS teams were selected?
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