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re: Should an undefeated Ohio State belong in the NC game?
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:27 am to Buckeye06
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:27 am to Buckeye06
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If that ASU/Wisky game ends up coming up big I'm gonna be pissed
It only strengthened the mostly nationwide opinion that the Pac-12 is better than the Big 10 currently.
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Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:38 am to Buckeye06
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Oregon needs to look good against Stanford IMO. Do you think an undefeated Stanford jumps OSU? That is intriguing to me
It's close, only because Stanford has gotten a lotta love and this "perception" that they play "SEC type football"
But tOSU is tOSU...I never underestimate cache and history when it comes to voting.
...and Stanford is Stanford. They might be the new hot girl for the time being but ratings matter.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:38 am to More beer please
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It only strengthened the mostly nationwide opinion that the Pac-12 is better than the Big 10 currently.
Which I'm not sure would have changed based on that game anyway
Were these arguments made against USC in the 2000s when the PacX was down? Or because they won big games it wasn't an issue?
The arguments made against OSU about how they would lose to SEC teams is based on 2007 (even though OSU beat a top 2 SEC team in 2011), and kind of weird. I mean would people argue Texas is still good based on them being good in 2009? It's just an awkward argument.
I don't know if OSU could beat Bama, but I don't think people should just dismiss OSU based on a game 5 years ago. OSU barely beat Michigan last year, but it took South Carolina til the last minute to beat them too...yet South Carolina is good and OSU is bad. Transitive property I know but very odd
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:43 am to Buckeye06
The average fan wants to see tOSU face a top team from another conference before putting them in a title game.
Too bad they didn't play Stanford or Oregon or even UCLA instead of frickin' Cal.
Or if they had played Clemson or even TAMU or even Oklahoma or FSU...
tOSU is a name brand but there's this feeling they have scheduled a title run - mostly because of how bad the B1G is perceived.
That has more to do with it than how tOSU has fared against the SEC years ago.
Too bad they didn't play Stanford or Oregon or even UCLA instead of frickin' Cal.
Or if they had played Clemson or even TAMU or even Oklahoma or FSU...
tOSU is a name brand but there's this feeling they have scheduled a title run - mostly because of how bad the B1G is perceived.
That has more to do with it than how tOSU has fared against the SEC years ago.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:45 am to benhamin5555
An undefeated Ohio State should be in. They have as much if not more talent then anyone in the top 5 rankings. They have the best shot against Alabama.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:49 am to Zamoro10
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Zamoro10
I agree, and I want to see that too honestly. My friend watched the OSU/Cal game and said he felt bad for Cal because OSU just looked so much bigger on D than Cal looked on O
The problem is having to schedule home and home series 10 years in advance. I don't know if this is required but OSU already has home and homes with Texas and Oregon from 2020 to 2023 or something like that.
Teams who were good/very good/elite 5-10 years ago:
Tennessee
Miami
Cal
Texas
Kansas State (consistently)
Teams who were not elite 10 years ago but are considered good/very good/elite today:
South Carolina
A&M
Oregon (they were good these years but nowhere near where they are now)
Stanford
I mean if OSU knew then what they know now, maybe they do schedule Stanford instead of Cal for a home/home, but they didn't, and couldn't have known this was coming
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:52 am to Seahawkhuskies
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An undefeated Ohio State should be in. They have as much if not more talent then anyone in the top 5 rankings. They have the best shot against Alabama.
A team should get in based on their accomplishmets not just their perceived talent. Also saying they have the best chance against Bama is pure conjecture and I don't even think its ture. Oregon/Stanford/UCLA/Clemson all have a better shot IMO.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 10:53 am
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:53 am to Zamoro10
The Stanford hype is very much overblown. Theyll lose 2-4 games and one of them being to UW. Itll be back to reality for them soon.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:55 am to Seahawkhuskies
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The Stanford hype is very much overblown. Theyll lose 2-4 games and one of them being to UW. Itll be back to reality for them soon.
They took down Oregon in Autzen Stadium last year with a freshman QB making his first start.
They are no joke.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:58 am to boXerrumble
I cant wait for the huskies to layeth the smacketh downeth. We have their number. I watched the first game they played. Im Not worried at all.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/17/13 at 10:59 am to boXerrumble
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The Stanford hype is very much overblown. Theyll lose 2-4 games and one of them being to UW. Itll be back to reality for them soon.
They took down Oregon in Autzen Stadium last year with a freshman QB making his first start.
They are no joke.
But they've looked like crap this year thus far. Have they dropped in the rankings? I don't think they have but they have looked pedestrian against San Jose St. and Army
Edit: I think Stanford is good but these rankings are fluid for some teams it seems, and not for others. What has Stanford done to justify being a top 10 team? Home games wins over San Jose and Army
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/17/13 at 11:45 am to Buckeye06
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But they've looked like crap this year thus far. Have they dropped in the rankings? I don't think they have but they have looked pedestrian against San Jose St. and Army
Edit: I think Stanford is good but these rankings are fluid for some teams it seems, and not for others. What has Stanford done to justify being a top 10 team? Home games wins over San Jose and Army
I don't think looking at cupcake games is a good way of analyzing a team. If Stanford goes undefeated they'll have beaten Oregon, Washington, UCLA and probably UCLA again in the Pac 12 title game. That's a far better resume than OSU would have, you can't deny that.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 11:57 am to benhamin5555
Given the perceived lack of D across the board in all conferences...
If Stanford were to beat the offenses of Oregon and UCLA twice..not to mention ASU and Washington...not to mention the darling ND...
They better be in the title game no doubt.
If Stanford were to beat the offenses of Oregon and UCLA twice..not to mention ASU and Washington...not to mention the darling ND...
They better be in the title game no doubt.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 11:58 am to benhamin5555
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I don't think looking at cupcake games is a good way of analyzing a team. If Stanford goes undefeated they'll have beaten Oregon, Washington, UCLA and probably UCLA again in the Pac 12 title game. That's a far better resume than OSU would have, you can't deny that.
It's a better resume, although "far" better I'm not sure of yet.
Oregon is the best team of the bunch and I'm not denying that. Washington/UCLA/Michigan/NW I will just say wash out. I don't know who would be favored in those games, but I think those teams are thought of as similar rankings wise.
OSU tried to go out and schedule a good non-conference opponent in Cal and it feel flat. They tried to mitigate by adding Vandy, but that didn't work out.
So I agree Stanford's resume would be better based on Oregon, which would be a huge win
Posted on 9/17/13 at 12:02 pm to Buckeye06
No one is saying tOSU ducks people.
Generally you'd have a good B1G slate and play Texas or USC...or some other top team.
Just so happens this year, you're playing a garbage team from a power conference and the B1G has really slumped.
To make matters worse, no one even got to see you matchup last year against a Top team from another conference in a bowl game because of the ban.
So there's simply no litmus test or game any pollster can point to in debunking the idea that tOSU could be the product of their schedule.
We're at a day and age - where pollsters are really struggling to find the "best matchup" competitive wise in the hopes of avoiding title matchup flops of the past.
Alas, having to make that tough call of only choosing two teams among a few is coming to an end.
Generally you'd have a good B1G slate and play Texas or USC...or some other top team.
Just so happens this year, you're playing a garbage team from a power conference and the B1G has really slumped.
To make matters worse, no one even got to see you matchup last year against a Top team from another conference in a bowl game because of the ban.
So there's simply no litmus test or game any pollster can point to in debunking the idea that tOSU could be the product of their schedule.
We're at a day and age - where pollsters are really struggling to find the "best matchup" competitive wise in the hopes of avoiding title matchup flops of the past.
Alas, having to make that tough call of only choosing two teams among a few is coming to an end.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 3:02 pm to Buckeye06
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Washington/UCLA/Michigan/NW
UCLA is not in this category. They are legit. Did you see them utterly demolish Nebraska in that second half? If Stanford beats them twice they deserve a title game berth no doubt.
The Pac-12 might actually be as good as the SEC this year, if Washington and ASU prove to be legit as well.
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 9/17/13 at 3:07 pm to Zamoro10
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But tOSU is tOSU...I never underestimate cache and history when it comes to voting.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that OSU should get in over a better team from a better conferece (Stanford) because of their "cache and history"? I hope not.
Posted on 9/17/13 at 3:10 pm to benhamin5555
Isn't that why Alabama got in over Oklahoma State? 
Posted on 9/17/13 at 3:10 pm to benhamin5555
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UCLA is not in this category. They are legit. Did you see them utterly demolish Nebraska in that second half? If Stanford beats them twice they deserve a title game berth no doubt.
The voters disagree with you. The USA poll has UCLA right between NW and Michigan at 15. I need to see UCLA beat a better team than one who has given up 500+ yards in like 6 of their last 8 games
Edit: I think NW and UCLA would be a fun game
This post was edited on 9/17/13 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 9/17/13 at 3:19 pm to USMC Gators
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Isn't that why Alabama got in over Oklahoma State?
That's exactly why. And it's stupid. Am I the only one who thinks better resume > media cock sucking?
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