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re: Schedule Change to Fix the BCS

Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12331 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:17 pm to
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It's simpler than that....don't allow a small conference school to be ranked. Nobody goes to Boise State or TCU to win a national title.

I too am not in favor of a playoff, but I would change the fact that small conference schools should be ranked in the same polls as the bigger conferences. It's like an UFL team arguing it should have a shot to play in the Super Bowl. Two totally different leagues in my opinion.


TCU will be in the Big East, a BCS conference.
Conneticut won the Big East but would lose to Boise State or TCU.
Boise State beat Virginia Tech. (I think they are playing in a BCS bowl game - sarcasm)
Nevada is good.
There are a lot of small schools but only the same few continue to win (Utah, TCU, Boise, etc...)
Utah beat Alabama in Sugar Bowl.
Boise State beat Oklahoma in Fiesta Bowl.

MY POINT? A BCS playoff with the top 16 teams. Game Over. End of discussion. Moving on!

Also, they should leave the teams ranked based on the previous season. If LSU finishes 12th and has a terrible team, then they will lose a few games and fall out of the rankings the next season. That would be better than projecting what these teams can do. Besides, it is fair for a champion to be the champion until they are knocked off. LSU won a title in 2007 and then started the following year at #7? They should be on top until knocked off. That is all!



This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 3:19 pm
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4179 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:20 pm to
Here's a better way to address it:

Have Six Power Conferences that are mandated to have 12 teams and a conference championship game. That's 72 teams with a shot at an automatic bid.

The six conferences are SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12, Big East.

After the conference championship games are played, the six conference champions plus the two non-champions with the highest BCS ranking play in the following bowls:

Rose - Big 10 vs Pac 10
Sugar - SEC vs Big East or at large
Fiesta - Big 12 vs Big East or at large
Orange - ACC vs Big East or at large

The traditional tie-ins are kept, for the most part. Aside from the Rose, the other teams are seeded based on ranking. For example, if the Big East Champ is ranked higest of the three teams that aren't tied to a traditional bowl, they would go to the bowl with the lowest ranked champion (excluding the Rose). Teams from the same conference would NOT be allowed to face each other in the Bowl Round.

Two BCS Bowls will be played on New Year's Day; the other two will be played on 1/2.

After all Bowl games have been played, the four bowl winners are seeded based on BCS rank. Two semi-final games would be played on the first Friday/Saturday after 1/8 and would pit Sugar vs Orange and Rose vs Fiesta (regional) or 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (seeds). The two winners would play in the NCG the following Saturday.

This system would work well because:

* It keeps the current bowl system and actually helps to restore some of the "tradition" that has been lost in the current process.

* For those who complain that a playoff would make the regular season less exciting, you still have two teams fighting for two at large spots, which is essentially what you have now.

* Non AQ conference teams would likely only need to be ranked in the top 8 to get a shot to play. However, unlike the current system, they would have to get up for TWO big games instead of one to become the champions.

* A team from a strong conference that doesn't win its conference still has a shot to play if it is ranked high enough.

* The networks still get 5 separate nights with a primetime BCS game.

* For those who argue that 15 games would be too many for the student athletes, we're only talking 2 more games for 2 teams and 1 more game for 2 others, with those games coming after a full month's rest. They would be fine.

This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
19016 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:23 pm to
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...and ruins college football.

How would a fricking playoff ruin college football? If I'm not mistaken, every other damn sport has a playoff and it's pretty damn exciting.
Posted by tadelatt
Buga Nation
Member since Jan 2010
12331 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:33 pm to
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After all Bowl games have been played, the four bowl winners are seeded based on BCS rank. Two semi-final games would be played on the first Friday/Saturday after 1/8 and would pit Sugar vs Orange and Rose vs Fiesta. The two winners would play in the NCG the following Saturday.


You are still putting teams against each other prior to the playoff you are proposing.

For example, according to your breakdown:

Rose - Ohio State vs. Oregon
Sugar - Auburn vs. UConn
Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Arkansas
Orange - Virginia Tech vs. TCU

If Ohio St, Auburn, Oklahoma, Va Tech win, then Arkansas, Oregon, UConn, and TCU are out of the title game.

What about Wisconsin, Stanford, or Michigan State?

A playoff system would allow the BCS #1 and #2 to only meet in the Championship like in basketball and it would allow the top teams in the country to come out of the pack. If LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and USC were in the playoffs it could possibly be all four of them in the finals thus proving the SEC's domination in the country.

I still like your idea because it is the most feasible with all the money involved in the BCS.

Posted by huckiewin
Ft Myers Fl.
Member since Mar 2005
1131 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:33 pm to
It is easy to say you do not want a playoff if you are a fan of a big school. Utah, Boise State etc, etc will be left out most of the time.
Have a playoff, if you play good you will get in the playoff, if not you will not qualify. the 67 team in Basketball does not get in the playoff.

Thank a Veteran
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86474 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:43 pm to
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every other damn sport has a playoff and it's pretty damn exciting.
Not as exciting as college football. See the previous examples. When a good pro team loses, it's really just a meh moment.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

How would a fricking playoff ruin college football? If I'm not mistaken, every other damn sport has a playoff and it's pretty damn exciting.


Nobody gives a damn about college basketball or college baseball during the regular season.

A game like LSU/Oregon will be awesome next year but in your proposal it is close to meaningless. On top of that some team can go 7-5 and win their division in the Big East and then play for a National Title. Awesome.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

How would a fricking playoff ruin college football? If I'm not mistaken, every other damn sport has a playoff and it's pretty damn exciting.


Nobody gives a damn about college basketball or college baseball during the regular season.

A game like LSU/Oregon will be awesome next year but in your proposal it is close to meaningless. On top of that some team can go 7-5 and win their division in the Big East and then play for a National Title. Awesome.
Posted by CajunBandit4Life
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2010
113 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:15 pm to
+1 / Final 4 format seems to be the best answer and most coaches prefer this method.

Bowls in rotation for the Semi Final Games:
Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, Cotton

Example from this years results:
BCS would be used to find the final four as it is used now.
1. Auburn 2. Oregon 3. TCU 4. Stanford

Semi Final:
Is played to kickoff the bowl season, 2 weeks after all conference championships, and after exams are over. Semi Final game sites would rotate each year.

Dec. 18th @4:00
Rose - Auburn vs. Stanford

Dec. 18th @8:00
Sugar - Oregon vs. TCU

The winner of these two games would play at the end of the bowl season in the BCS National Championship game just as it is now and will rotate as it does now to each of the semi final sites.

I would rather see this than a large format. I agree the season is so crucial in college football and I believe this format would not diminish it. It would add interest at the beginning of the bowl season and would start it off right. The teams in the championship would have plenty of time off to prepare but would not give us the 5 week gap like it does now.

However if this format was used this year I wouldn't see the voters including TCU in the final 4. You would probably see a Wisconsin in it.


Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86474 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:41 pm to
I hate the idea of a playoff, but that proposal looks good.
Posted by BRtoATL
Bogota
Member since Aug 2009
232 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 4:54 pm to
A plus one is the most obvious solution in the world. Here's the obvious truth....if you don't finish in the top 4, you really don't deserve a shot at the national title. Usually the discussion is between the top 3, or 4 max.

A plus one, adds one extra game and makes it a 4 team playoff. SIMPLE, and it preserves everything wonderful about the college football regular season.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3356 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:10 pm to
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but in the NFL, teams lose and theres always a "we'll next time" mentality. college football thrives on the notion you have to win every game or no national championship


.......................not if you come from a "smaller" conference.
The fact is you can go 12-0 and people will still say you don't deserve a shot.

Wow, college football has a great regular season, and has the absolute worst post season of any American sport.

Have a playoff and settle it on the field.....................not through some computers and polls.
This post was edited on 12/21/10 at 5:11 pm
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
17381 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:32 pm to
quote:

if you don't finish in the top 4, you really don't deserve a shot at the national title. Usually the discussion is between the top 3, or 4 max.


If you had a 3 team playoff this year, no one could argue. Unfortunately, bringing that 4th team, Stanford, into it opens up the debate for Wisconsin, Ohio State, etc.

It is not likely, but if Stanford somehow won it all, those other 1 loss teams would have a good argument that they could have won it all.

It would have been the same in 2003, when a playoff between USC, Oklahoma, and LSU would have been great. However, did Michigan really deserve to be there?

Since the BCS started, college football has probably crowned the best team as champion more than any other sport. Just because team b beats team a in a 1 game playoff doesn't mean that team b is really the better or more deserving team.

A playoff rewards the team that gets hot at the right time. The BCS rewards the team that has done more throughout the season. I enjoy both in sports and actually like the fact that college football offers something different.

I wouldn't mind a 4 team playoff, but no system is going to be without issues.
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
795 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

our ideal 16 team playoff solves a few problems, then creates a ton more.


what are these "tons more" problems H.S. or NFL playoffs create, or really any thing with a playoff?
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
795 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:39 pm to
quote:

and waters down the regular season and non conference scheduling


yeah because college football non-conference scheduling is so awesome . CFB already waters down regular seasons with McNeese, ULM, Troy, etc...
Posted by tiger in the gump
Member since Jan 2005
795 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

When a good pro team loses, it's really just a meh moment.


It's probably more due to more games, NOT the playoffs. And if you think it's just a "meh" moment go to a NFL message board, talk show, or just watch t.v. NFL gets more coverage so we hear about a loss ALL week.
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4179 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 5:55 pm to
quote:

You are still putting teams against each other prior to the playoff you are proposing.


Exactly. That's actually the point. You have a defacto 8 team playoff without actually changing much about the current bowl setup. Everybody wins. Also, it's better than a "plus 1" which would still be relying on a popularity contest to pick the final 2.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:08 pm to
Keep the BCS, top-2 bowls + 1
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8139 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:27 pm to
PLAYOFF!
Posted by Cornholio
LaPlace
Member since Nov 2007
8263 posts
Posted on 12/21/10 at 6:40 pm to
That's total bullshite about adding extra games to the season. Kids in high school play 15-16 games every year with playoffs if they go to the state championship.
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