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re: Saturday's - 12/21/2019 Texas UIL football state championship games times and channel
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:42 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:42 pm to McCaigBro69
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Westlake winning a D2 title is meaningless in the eyes of LT alums.
This seems like a LT problem
Westlake kicker their arse last year and beat them the year before as well, yes?
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Westlake is probably going to win state with a loss to LT
This stuff happens all the time
ETA: overall, I get what you’re saying. 6a-D1 has been cheapened with school districts like Allen refusing to build a second schools.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:57 pm to TexasTiger08
We need a Class 7A. In North Texas alone you'd have one district comprised of Allen, the three Plano schools, Lewisville, and Duncanville all over 4,000 students.
North Shore could anchor the Houston area district.
North Shore could anchor the Houston area district.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 3:18 pm to Quidam65
Unfortunately there’s not enough schools to hit that mark.
From the last alignment figures, there were 15 schools over 4000 students. Allen led the way with 6664. That is over 1000 students more than second most, Plano West.
Only 1 of the 15 was not from Houston or DFW area, and that was Laredo United.
22 more schools are between 3500 and 4000. Once again, most schools are in Houston or DFW area. The only ones outside of that are Odessa, Permian, and San Antonio Reagan.
I think the largest schools are that way because districts refuse to address the situation. They like the attention. You could have mega schools in SA, Austin, etc. Instead, they build schools at an extremely fast rate. In the Metroplex, an example of that would be Frisco.
From the last alignment figures, there were 15 schools over 4000 students. Allen led the way with 6664. That is over 1000 students more than second most, Plano West.
Only 1 of the 15 was not from Houston or DFW area, and that was Laredo United.
22 more schools are between 3500 and 4000. Once again, most schools are in Houston or DFW area. The only ones outside of that are Odessa, Permian, and San Antonio Reagan.
I think the largest schools are that way because districts refuse to address the situation. They like the attention. You could have mega schools in SA, Austin, etc. Instead, they build schools at an extremely fast rate. In the Metroplex, an example of that would be Frisco.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:02 pm to TexasTiger08
I heard something wild from a UIL guy last night that 80% of all students are east of the I-35 corridor.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:18 pm to Winston Cup
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ever since someone gerrymandered the frick out of the regions so that the austin schools are in region 4 (?) and get to beat the shite out of crappy valley and corpus schools rounds deep
Westlake has been Region 4 since at least 1991. The divisional split has benefited them greatly. As it has other teams around the state.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:39 pm to Tiger Ree
Do they play 8 man football in parts of Texas?
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:40 pm to OrangeBlood
The division split is needed though because of the monster schools. It’s still unfair in D1.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:40 pm to danilo
6 man
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:49 pm to TexasTiger08
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The division split is needed though because of the monster schools. It’s still unfair in D1.
Agreed. The division split also works pretty well in every other classification.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 4:51 pm to McCaigBro69
Yep. It’d be nice if they put schools with 3500+ in their own group, or 3750, but then you still have Allen, Plano ISD, etc WAY above the cutoff anyway.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:22 pm to TexasTiger08
Our school (Rockwall) was 62 out of 64 in enrollment on D1. Around 2600 kids. We did beat Allen in round 2 and make the state semis. But you can see the depth problems that the larger enrollments create.
That said, I still think there is a point of diminishing returns around the 4K mark.
The UIL needs to address kids moving for athletic purposes and the ‘open enrollment’ and ‘magnet’ schools before they worry too much about the enrollment discrepancies though.
Almost every elite Allen player has been from some other district. And Duncanville has kids driving in from Mesquite, Dallas, Waxahachie, etc. But it’s prevalent at a lot of schools. Even a school like Sachse who has had a few good years, it’s all due to Garland ISD being school of choice.
That said, I still think there is a point of diminishing returns around the 4K mark.
The UIL needs to address kids moving for athletic purposes and the ‘open enrollment’ and ‘magnet’ schools before they worry too much about the enrollment discrepancies though.
Almost every elite Allen player has been from some other district. And Duncanville has kids driving in from Mesquite, Dallas, Waxahachie, etc. But it’s prevalent at a lot of schools. Even a school like Sachse who has had a few good years, it’s all due to Garland ISD being school of choice.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:32 pm to Xenophon
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Almost every elite Allen player has been from some other district. And Duncanville has kids driving in from Mesquite, Dallas, Waxahachie, etc. But it’s prevalent at a lot of schools. Even a school like Sachse who has had a few good years, it’s all due to Garland ISD being school of choice.
This never really stays the case though does it? Like the power houses in the 5-6A seem to usually change in DFW and even then they it’s not like they have a decade of state championship dominance.
Southlake is probably the closest one with a Allen n regards to success in the decade and both have not really been in many state games as of late. Euless Trinity is another team that was a powerhouse but is now just kind of average.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:59 pm to McCaigBro69
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Southlake is probably the closest one with a Allen n regards to success in the decade and both have not really been in many state games as of late. Euless Trinity is another team that was a powerhouse but is now just kind of average.
It’s incredible how suburban growth has impacted programs. I always thought Spring Dekaney was a great example. New school, wins a 2011 state title in year 4 with Trey Williams at running back. It’s best year since is 6-5.
Historically, you’ve seen powers like Permian and Midland Lee relegated to lower tier status. Recently, I see Euless Trinity becoming average, Converse Judson struggling to become a champion again, Cedar Park is an also-ran.
Hell, I feel like it was yesterday when I saw LaMarque dominating.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 3:51 am to McCaigBro69
quote:thanks JBE
heard something wild from a UIL guy last night that 80% of all students are east of the I-35 corridor.
Remember Louisiana has basically a handful of schools that would be 6A in Texas.
And y’all need to seed every region with power points like we do. Just using the district games is a 1940s type system
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 3:54 am
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:41 am to chalmetteowl
There was a god awful call in the Ryan/Silver creek game last night.
The ball snapped over the punters head, he kicks it in the end zone directly off the ground and Ryan returns it for a td. I don’t know a lot of rules but I am pretty sure this should have been a dead ball from the illegal forward batting spot, resulting in a safety and taking the punt return off the board
The ball snapped over the punters head, he kicks it in the end zone directly off the ground and Ryan returns it for a td. I don’t know a lot of rules but I am pretty sure this should have been a dead ball from the illegal forward batting spot, resulting in a safety and taking the punt return off the board
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:38 am to Winston Cup
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I am pretty sure this should have been a dead ball from the illegal forward batting spot
I had never seen a play like that before. The announcer did explain that the ref said the only time a punt would be a dead ball is if it is kicked or goes out of the back of the end zone. Since the guy kicked it onto the field of play is was a live ball.
I look at it as it basically being a fumble. If kicking it made it a dead ball on all other plays (in the field on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down) the fumbling teams wouldn't even try to recover the ball they would just kick it if it made it a dead ball.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:45 am to Winston Cup
quote:why would it be a dead ball that kills the play?
don’t know a lot of rules but I am pretty sure this should have been a dead ball from the illegal forward batting spot, resulting in a safety and taking the punt return off the board
I’m pretty sure it would have been a penalty though, but the return team declined it bc they got a touchdown instead of the safety they’d get
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:05 am to chalmetteowl
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why would it be a dead ball that kills the play?
It definitely would have screwed the recovering team if they had called it a dead ball and safety. I don't think the rules should be different for a punt just because it is in the end zone.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 11:01 am to Tiger Ree
It’s not a dead ball. It’s a 10 yard penalty for an illegal kick, enforced either from the previous spot or subsequent spot at team b’s option. Since the penalty was in the end zone, at worst it’s a safety and shadow creeks ball
The dpi on the last shadow td drive was a bad call as was the free kick out of bounds on the onside kick as shadow creek batted the ball out of bounds.
The dpi on the last shadow td drive was a bad call as was the free kick out of bounds on the onside kick as shadow creek batted the ball out of bounds.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 11:50 am to McCaigBro69
Just wanted to add...
frick Westlake and Lake Travis new money scrubs.
Austin High, Loyal Forever.
frick Westlake and Lake Travis new money scrubs.
Austin High, Loyal Forever.
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