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re: Sarah Fuller's Vanderbilt uniform on display at the College Football Hall of Fame...
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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Comparing her to Jackie fricking Robinson?
No. Just pointing out why saying that you don’t understand why this is a big deal is ludicrous
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:47 pm to Dixie.Reb
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Rudy earned his spot as a glorified tackling dummy. Nothing more.
A role that is needed on every single football team. And nobody is just given because of their gender.
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Lol, not every player can kick a PAT or else coaches wouldn’t waste multiple scholarships on kickers.
Every player on the roster could replicate her “perfectly executed squib kick”.
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Sorry you live in a bubble, but in the real world people definitely are. At least as much as after Rudy
No, they aren’t. They are talking about women’s empowerment. I said that previously. You conveniently forgot to address it.
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Did you push for Katie Hnida and the other women to get added to the CFB HoF?
No I didn’t. Just as I’m not pushing for fuller to be in. But if we have to put people in strictly because they are the first to do something, then Hinda should absolutely be in. She did far more to earn her opportunity than fuller did.
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If not, gtfoh with that disengenuous BS.
You’re in here talking about fuller was clearly the best person for the job and earned her opportunity and accusing other people of being disingenuous?
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The fact is that most people attacking Fuller would attack the other women as well given the chance.
The fact that multiple other people in this thread have pointed out other women that were far more deserving of the praise and recognition fuller is receiving proves you’re a complete idiot.
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They are just being used as props in an argument.
The fact that you fail to recognize you are white knighting for quite possibly the biggest prop created for an argument in the history of college football is beyond comical.
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I’m guessing you didn’t see all the Vandy players celebrating with Fuller after the PAT. Doesn’t seem like they share your concerns.
I’m guessing you didn’t see all the players ignoring her on the sideline after her monumental squib kick. Or the fact that they had to cancel the game the following week because the numerous players opted out after the charade against Missouri.
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Yeah, why do we remember Jackie Robinson when there were lots of other players with comparable stats?
Because there weren’t. Jackie Robinson was legitimately one of the best players during his time, and one of the best baseball players ever.
Why are you avoiding the question? Why has no man ever been rewarded for the thing fuller was rewarded for? You stated having different standards for men and women is ridiculous. So surely there’s an easy explanation here.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:50 pm to Open Your Eyes
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And before you say she can kick better than me, I too have kicked in an SEC stadium
Lol. With a live snap and rush? No. But even if you are a better kicker than Fuller, that’s irrelevant. You weren’t an option for Vandy. She was. I never said she is the greatest kicker ever. I just said she was qualified for what they asked her to do. Which is the only standard I have.
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It absolutely does. She didn’t earn anything. Everything in this situation was literally handed to her, strictly because of her gender.
Oh, cool. So you were in all the calls and read all the email from the coaches making this decision? Just because you don’t think she should have played doesn’t mean coaches didn’t have legitimate reasons.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:56 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Or the fact that they had to cancel the game the following week because the numerous players opted out after the charade against Missouri.
Source? I only read that from message board warriors like you. No legit news outlet said that. I did however see all the players celebrating her success with my own eyes. And of course they didn’t celebrate a squib kick like they did a PAT. It’s a routine play that scores 0 points
Remember the Blind USC long snapper a couple years ago? Great feel good story! I’m not trying to say Rudy isn’t a feel good story either. I just want to celebrate all the feel good stories instead of having a clear misogynist double standard
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:58 pm to Dixie.Reb
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I don’t think you know what prove means the only way to prove this would be to actually do it. I’m sure you’re convinced it is true, but that isn’t proof.
What a coincidence, I have just as much proof that it is true as you have that it isn’t.
The difference is I have common sense and a basic understanding of athletic feats on my side. What do you have exactly? And please say the coaching staff that decided she was the best person available for a 20 yard squib kick over their punter, all state kicker, and numerous other players on the team that kicked in high school.
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And it’s not just about kicking 20 yards, it’s about kicking with direction and pace.
And here is where your lack of common sense or basic understanding of athletic feats rears it’s ugly head.
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The kick matched up with the coverage according to experts with way more football knowledge than you
So your argument is the coaches significantly altered their normal strategy to properly account for the limitations of her capabilities. And somehow you think that’s a positive thing?
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Butch Jones literally had a situation where the cutoff was 40 yards LINK
Vanderbilt literally has a kicker that played in the same game that was 9/9 on XPs on the year.
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Stop making stuff up and pretending it’s proof of anything
Take your own advice.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:59 pm to Dixie.Reb
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No. Just pointing out why saying that you don’t understand why this is a big deal is ludicrous
Literally yes. That’s exactly what you did. You’re legitimately terrible at this.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:59 pm to Open Your Eyes
Yall letting this dude troll the hell out of yall in this thread
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:07 pm to Dixie.Reb
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I just said she was qualified for what they asked her to do.
As was every other player already on the roster.
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Which is the only standard I have.
clearly it’s not.
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Oh, cool. So you were in all the calls and read all the email from the coaches making this decision?
Just as much as you were.
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Just because you don’t think she should have played
It’s not about anyone thinking she shouldn’t have played. It’s about the indisputable fact that several people already on the team were capable of doing all the things she’s done, therefore showing there was no reason for her to be there in the first place.
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doesn’t mean coaches didn’t have legitimate reasons.
Wait, are you now saying her being a woman isn’t a legitimate reason? Why are you such a misogynist all of a sudden?
What legitimate reason exists for the kicker that was 9/9 on XPs on the year to kick a 39 yard fg but not an XP?
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:11 pm to RollTide1987
Good Lord! Lol
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:13 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So your argument is the coaches significantly altered their normal strategy to properly account for the limitations of her capabilities. And somehow you think that’s a positive thing
When a coach changes the game plan to fit a new qb’s strengths and weaknesses they are heralded as a genius. and plenty of male kickers execute squib kicks every week and no one bats an eye. Wonder why this situation is different...
To be clear, your position is that with no knowledge of the exact personnel involved or any of the decision making process, you are qualified to make a definitive judgement that gender was the only factor in a personnel decision. Regarding a player who did absolutely everything they were asked to do including 2/2 PATs
I take comfort that actual college football analysts agree with me, but it’s still sad to see so many fragile male egos
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:16 pm to Open Your Eyes
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What legitimate reason exists for the kicker that was 9/9 on XPs on the year to kick a 39 yard fg but not an XP?
If both players were capable of kicking the XP, why do you care so much that one was chosen over the other? I would have been fine if vandy stuck with their main kicker for the PATs. But I’m also fine with another qualified kicker getting a shot. You’re the one that has a problem because one is a woman.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:26 pm to Dixie.Reb
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When a coach changes the game plan to fit a new qb’s strengths and weaknesses they are heralded as a genius.
You mean a coach is heralded as a genius for making the decision that gives his team a chance to do well.
As opposed to making the decision to give the opposing team the ball with decidedly great field position, just so you can put your PR stunt in the game?
Your lack of common sense is showing again
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and plenty of male kickers execute squib kicks every week and no one bats an eye. Wonder why this situation is different...
How many of those male kickers are interviewed after the game for the squib kick?
How many are called heroes for their squib kick?
How many are given player of the week honors for their squib kick?
I wonder if you’ll actually answer any of these questions this time...
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To be clear, your position is that with no knowledge of the exact personnel involved or any of the decision making process, you are qualified to make a definitive judgement that gender was the only factor in a personnel decision.
To be clear, you are doing the exact same thing, except arguing that it wasn’t.
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Regarding a player who did absolutely everything they were asked to do including 2/2 PATs
And was only given those opportunities because of her gender, not because she earned them.
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I take comfort that actual college football analysts agree with me,
You take comfort in the fact that members of the media are pushing a progressive agenda? What were you saying earlier about living under a rock?
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but it’s still sad to see so many fragile male egos
You say as you continue white knighting for the ultimate argument prop to protect her honor.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:32 pm to Dixie.Reb
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If both players were capable of kicking the XP, why do you care so much that one was chosen over the other?
If your regular kicker is clearly capable of playing in the game, why wouldn’t you put him back in to do the same job he’s been regularly successful at throughout the season?
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I would have been fine if vandy stuck with their main kicker for the PATs.
You’ve spent the entire thread parroting the stupid line that Vanderbilt needed a short range kicker.
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But I’m also fine with another qualified kicker getting a shot.
She wasn’t qualified. She had done nothing to earn the opportunity, outside of being a woman. You were the one that said different standards for men and women were bad, remember?
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You’re the one that has a problem because one is a woman.
No. I have a problem that being a woman was the only qualification she needed to get the opportunity. If she had gone through and earned her spot just like anyone else would typically have to, there is no problem.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:38 pm to Open Your Eyes
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How many of those male kickers are interviewed after the game for the squib kick? How many are called heroes for their squib kick? How many are given player of the week honors for their squib kick
This is why I brought up Jackie Robinson. Of course the fact that she was the first woman to play in a P5 game was a factor in the interviews and publicity. Just like Jackie Robinson got more attention for breaking the color barrier than other players who might have had similar stats. You are simultaneously saying she got the opportunity because of gender and that you don’t understand why it’s such a big deal. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
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As opposed to making the decision to give the opposing team the ball with decidedly great field position, just so you can put your PR stunt in the game?
Do you feel just as strongly about all the other coaches who give opponents starting field position around the 35 due to squib kicks? Somehow I don’t think so
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To be clear, you are doing the exact same thing, except arguing that it wasn’t.
No. I’m saying that I have no reason to doubt coaches who say that she was the best option. she was qualified for her role regardless of why she got it in the first place. And the fact that you can’t admit that she was capable is based on your own bias rather than any verifiable facts.
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:44 pm to Dixie.Reb
quote:define big deal. It was an interesting at best story. But they have taken it over the top. And that's an understatement.
Just pointing out why saying that you don’t understand why this is a big deal is ludicrous
"Female kicker from soccer team steps in for Vanderbilt kickers who are out due to Covid"
That's pretty cool. End of story.
But noooo we're not just going to leave it at that....we have halftime speeches, continue playing with even after the kickers return, HOF etc.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:55 pm to castorinho
I started this whole conversation by saying the HoF is a museum. She is not being inducted into the hall of fame. They are displaying her jersey in the HoF as a part of football history - which it is. Just enjoy the feel good story like we do with countless other moments in football
Posted on 12/19/20 at 3:18 pm to SeeeeK
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It's a slap in the face to the girl who actually could kick, and made fg's while playing for New Mexico.
Her name was Katie Hnida, and she was the THIRD female kicker to score in a college game. There were two even before her.
Fuller is at least the fourth.
Posted on 12/19/20 at 3:32 pm to Evolved Simian
None of y’all care about any of them except as props in your argument against Fuller. So forgive me for not taking that point seriously. I think they should all be a part of the exhibit in the HoF, do you?
Posted on 12/19/20 at 3:47 pm to RollTide1987
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Sarah Fuller's Vanderbilt uniform on display at the College Football Hall of Fame
biden’s America and WestCoastFag’s MSB
Good job liberals!! We are so close!!
Posted on 12/19/20 at 4:31 pm to Dixie.Reb
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Lol. With a live snap and rush? No.
Someone didn't see her warm up kicks for her first game. I'm a better kicker than she'll ever be, which isn't some accomplishment.
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