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re: Ryan Howard struck out twice tonight in 4 at bats
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:42 am to LfcSU3520
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:42 am to LfcSU3520
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also, if Kurt Warner has the best receiving corps in football and Matt Hasselbeck has the worst their stats become a little skewed. Warner could have 20 Td passes and that stat could be less impressive than Hasselbeck's 15.
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Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:43 am to JJ27
i just didn't want to use real names just to keep it hypothetical.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:43 am to LfcSU3520
I will agree baseball is more individualized, but it also has it moments where its more of a team effort than football. I only jumped into this argument because there are posters who firmly believe RBIs should be taken stricken from the stats book.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:45 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Joe DiMaggio
361 HR
369 K
So Howard will have more strike outs in 2 years than Joe Dimaggio had in 15 years. What side of the arguement are you on?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:48 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Ted Williams
521 HR
709 K
Teddy ballgame won Multiple triple crowns!! Something Howard will never sniff!!!
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:49 am to LSUsmartass
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I only jumped into this argument because there are posters who firmly believe RBIs should be taken stricken from the stats book.
I wouldn't ever go this far. w-l yes. RBIs no.
I think you can put most hitters stats into some context but what bothers me is when they get overvalued ie. selecting MVPs, HOF, and that sort of thing. RBIs is definitely one of those stats, same with batting average.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:51 am to JJ27
as a side note the strike out thing is HIGHLY overrated IMO. If a hitter has 600 ABs in a season and hits .500 with 300Ks then what? He sucks with all the Ks, or he's great cause when he didn't K he did awesome?
A K is an out, the same as a flyout or groundout.
A K is an out, the same as a flyout or groundout.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:53 am to LfcSU3520
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A K is an out, the same as a flyout or groundout.
Negative
A groundout to the right side or a deep flyout will move a runner/possibly score a run. A K isn't going to move shite.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:54 am to JJ27
Just pointing out that there was a day when big HR numbers didn't automatically mean big K numbers also.
Strikeouts are unproductive outs.
Any kind of contact will put runners and defense in motion, and force the defense to make a play.
Strikeouts are unproductive outs.
Any kind of contact will put runners and defense in motion, and force the defense to make a play.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:55 am to JJ27
I know that, but when talking about someone like Howard or Dunn who end up with high RBI #s in the end, I don't factor this as much.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:56 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Strikeouts are unproductive outs.
Any kind of contact will put runners and defense in motion, and force the defense to make a play.
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A groundout to the right side or a deep flyout will move a runner/possibly score a run. A K isn't going to move shite.
We are in agreement.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:56 am to LfcSU3520
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I know that, but when talking about someone like Howard or Dunn who end up with high RBI #s in the end, I don't factor this as much.
But RBIs are overrated
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:57 am to LSUsmartass
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But RBIs are overrated
It's a vicious cycle isn't it?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 1:59 am to JJ27
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It's a vicious cycle isn't it?
I was going to say the RBIs people vs the OBP people are arguing over the chicken and egg
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:05 am to LSUsmartass
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But RBIs are overrated
this is what I meant by accepting stats into a certain context. It means they're driving in runs somehow even with their high k numbers.
again RBIs aren't a worthless stat to me, I just don't value you them nearly as much as others.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:09 am to JJ27
There are a number of ways to drive home a runner from 3rd, but a strikeout isn't one of them.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:11 am to FightinTigersDammit
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but a strikeout isn't one of them.
dropped 3rd strike.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:14 am to LfcSU3520
Dropped 3rd strike?
And the hitter causes that exactly how?
And the hitter causes that exactly how?
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:16 am to FightinTigersDammit
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And the hitter causes that exactly how?
who cares, the run comes in exactly the same as it would if he hit a pissrod to the rightfielder.
Posted on 7/13/08 at 2:20 am to LfcSU3520
Let me rephrase, then-
There are a number of ways for a HITTER to drive in a run from third without actually making a base hit, but a strikeout isn't one of them.
There are a number of ways for a HITTER to drive in a run from third without actually making a base hit, but a strikeout isn't one of them.
This post was edited on 7/13/08 at 2:23 am
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