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re: RG3 is so good!!! Skins Rams threa
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Is it no surprise RGIII has 60 and 80 yard TD passes so far this season?
One was a 10 yard pass that the WR made into a TD.
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Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:11 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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The crux of our argument is that this Washington has more Air Raid / Holgerson / Briles tendancies than Spread Option / Rich Rod tendancies.
but it doesn't, especially for NFL terms
look at the saints/packers/patriots
how often do you see their QBs running plays based in the option?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:11 pm to FootballNostradamus
Griffins 80 yard td wasn't really thrown far downfield. It was a 10-15 yard pass. I honestly wonder if you watch the games.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:11 pm to dukke v
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One was a 10 yard pass that the WR made into a TD.
it was like luck's "big play" to start the preseason this year
or FSU's deadly fisher spread option being so aggressive with 80 yard TDs...off screens
:Seminole:
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:12 pm to F machine
and his long TD today (which was a nice fricking throw) was a WR in single coverage after a play action, i believe
every offense in the NFL is going to take those shots
every offense in the NFL is going to take those shots
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:14 pm to dukke v
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Is it no surprise RGIII has 60 and 80 yard TD passes so far this season?
outside of the 68 yarder today, he has 8 completions for 46 yards. Or 5.7 per completion
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Its not worth either of our time, but if you can point me in the direction of Walsh's offense doing any run/pass decision making off of live reads vs. pre-snap reads, please do so.
I'm with Nostra on this one. You make it sound like RG3 is playing Pat White, and its just not even close to the truth.
I'm with Nostra on this one. You make it sound like RG3 is playing Pat White, and its just not even close to the truth.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it was like luck's "big play" to start the preseason this year
YUP. John Elway's only come around once in a generation.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:17 pm to Broseph Barksdale
he ran it 9 times against the saints and has 5 carries with 10 minutes to go in the 3rd
i'm not saying he's pat white, but he's running a ton for an NFL QB
i'm not saying he's pat white, but he's running a ton for an NFL QB
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:21 pm to FootballNostradamus
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i've known about run/pass reads since i've been following football in the 80s, and it started with the west coast offense
just because it's run out of a shotgun with QB option plays doesn't change the base concepts
hell the indy offense with that stretch play was built on run/pass options by peyton
Do you want me to tell you how ridiculous that statement is or do you want to figure it out for yourself.
I guess I'll hafta elaborate. You're clearly missing the point on this run/pass package distinction.
What you are talking about is a presnap packaging of a run and a pass play. This is something pioneered by some and mastered by your aforementioned Peyton Manning.
The difference in the modern-day packing of run/pass concepts that guys like Dana Holgerson made famous in college is that they are POST-SNAP reads.
Instead of attempting to determine what the defense will do pre-snap like Peyton used to do you read it post-snap and make your decision based off that.
You really think Peyton was reading the defense post-snap with his back to the ball on strecth handoffs hahaha?!?!?!?!
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:22 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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Its not worth either of our time, but if you can point me in the direction of Walsh's offense doing any run/pass decision making off of live reads vs. pre-snap reads, please do so.
Thank you!
People don't know what they're talking about.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:24 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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Its not worth either of our time, but if you can point me in the direction of Walsh's offense doing any run/pass decision making off of live reads vs. pre-snap reads, please do so.
how long do you think this can/will be effective?
honestly?
lets say it is effective long term, how long does RGIII last before he gets hurt like Vick every other game?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:24 pm to FootballNostradamus
i'm not talking about pre-snap reads
it's the options given by the zone-blocking scheme, mostly
it's the options given by the zone-blocking scheme, mostly
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
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how long do you think this can/will be effective?
honestly?
lets say it is effective long term, how long does RGIII last before he gets hurt like Vick every other game?
the biggest question
he's on pace for at least 120 carries (if he keeps this up). that's a ton of rushing plays for a QB
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not talking about pre-snap reads
it's the options given by the zone-blocking scheme, mostly
WTF are you talking about? Please tell me how Peyton, with his back turned to the defense, was making reads after the snap on the stretch play?!?!
Are you talking about the versatile nature of a zone-blocking run and the runner's ability to determine what hole he attacks based off the flow of the defense???
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
and they just ran a QB draw (for a TD)
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:27 pm to Lester Earl
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how long do you think this can/will be effective?
honestly?
By 'this' do you mean the means of making reads and calling plays, or Griffin running? Because its two different things. And its interesting because Holgerson/Kingsbury/Franklin and the other pioneers of this stuff haven't been doing it with running quarterbacks (until Kliff this year I guess).
I think the offense absolutely holds up in the NFL long-term with a quarterback good enough to run it.
Griffin running 10+ plays a game will not hold up, but that is mutually exclusive from the offense.
For clarity, I think the Dana Holgerson offense, as ran at Oklahoma State, will work in the League. The protection in the passing game added by the diamond formation is a big deal. I know that is a contentious thing to say given the history of pass-happy college offenses in the league.
This post was edited on 9/16/12 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:29 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Please tell me how Peyton, with his back turned to the defense, was making reads after the snap on the stretch play?!?!
as opposed to a QB watching the DE and LBs exclusively for their reaction to the rushing threat?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:31 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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Griffin running 10+ plays a game will not hold up, but that is mutually exclusive from the offense.
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By 'this' do you mean the means of making reads and calling plays, or Griffin running?
the main read being discussed in this thread involves the QB option read, which is a backbone of the offense (and isn't the backbone of the holgerson offense in college)
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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as opposed to a QB watching the DE and LBs exclusively for their reaction to the rushing threat?
What are you talking about? Peyton WAS NOT reading anyone on stretch plays. He was getting on his horse to get that ball in Edge's stomach as soon as possible so he had as much time to determine where to make his cut. He had his damn back turned away from the defense.
Griffin, on the other hand, is facing the defense. He's riding the RB as long as possible while watching the defense and making a decision on give/keep.
How is this not making sense?
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