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re: RG3 is so good!!! Skins Rams threa
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:54 pm to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:54 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Sure you can't run Urban's spread attack that has Tebow pounding the ball 20 times a game, but anyone saying you can't mesh college tactics with an NFL system is just a traditionalist bigot.
i am the biggest proponent of the NFL adapting some college ideas (Which they have)
but the spread option will NOT work in the fricking NFL. it's got too many issues and people always buy in when a team runs it early, but then it gets shut down and/or the QB gets hurt and it disappears for stretches
this offense isn't an air raid or run/shoot spread attack like the saints/pack developed. this is based in the spread option of rich rod/meyer
This post was edited on 9/16/12 at 4:56 pm
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Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:57 pm to FootballNostradamus
You have got to calm down. He isn't even done with his second game. He has looked good so far but let's not crown the guy after 6 quarters. And the fact that some of you are downplaying luck show how much bias is in your argument.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i am the biggest proponent of the NFL adapting some college ideas (Which they have)
Like a commercial after every fricking play. SAD.
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but the spread option will NOT work in the fricking NFL
No need to go on here.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
So what cutting edge college concepts SHOULD the NFL adopt if packaged plays isn't one of them? Its the hottest thing in college football right now.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:59 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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So what cutting edge college concepts SHOULD the NFL adopt if packaged plays isn't one of them?
this isn't about "pre-packaged plays," as the NFL has been running multiple read plays for a lot longer than last week. just because one writer is using a buzz word doesn't change history
this is about the spread option, which was the basis of the skins' offense last week (and appears to be the backbone this week). this offense will NOT work as a base NFL offense long-term
Posted on 9/16/12 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they run tons of spread option
Saying they run tons of "spread option" is somewhat misleading. They run quite a bit of zone read. This isn't you traditional spread option where he's taking off down the line at an NFL DE. The zone read is basically the spread offense's equivalent of the bootleg. It's done to hold the backside DE and keep him honest. 85% of the time RGIII just gives it and there's no risk to himself. RGIII may keep it 5 times a game, and when he does it's not by design
***I will say that Shanahan or someone needs to hammer it into RGIII to take what he can get and get down when he does pull it because he has taken some unnecessary hits***
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It's not really vertical except on a PA here or there. i think the big PA today had 1 WR running a real route
LOL, Baylor had more 60+ yard passing plays than anyone in the nation RGIII's senior year. They were 2nd in 30+, 40+ and 50+ yard plays. Do you always make things up?
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RG3 has plenty of single read plays where he just tucks it if that read isn't there.
Clearly, yes you do.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they run tons of spread option
Saying they run tons of "spread option" is somewhat misleading. They run quite a bit of zone read. This isn't you traditional spread option where he's taking off down the line at an NFL DE. The zone read is basically the spread offense's equivalent of the bootleg. It's done to hold the backside DE and keep him honest. 85% of the time RGIII just gives it and there's no risk to himself. RGIII may keep it 5 times a game, and when he does it's not by design
***I will say that Shanahan or someone needs to hammer it into RGIII to take what he can get and get down when he does pull it because he has taken some unnecessary hits***
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It's not really vertical except on a PA here or there. i think the big PA today had 1 WR running a real route
LOL, Baylor had more 60+ yard passing plays than anyone in the nation RGIII's senior year. They were 2nd in 30+, 40+ and 50+ yard plays. Do you always make things up?
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RG3 has plenty of single read plays where he just tucks it if that read isn't there.
Clearly, yes you do.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:01 pm to FootballNostradamus
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LOL, Baylor had more 60+ yard passing plays than anyone in the nation RGIII's senior year. They were 2nd in 30+, 40+ and 50+ yard plays.
AGAINST NFL D'S???????????????? NO a shite schedule of somewhat good players. Think about it.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:02 pm to FootballNostradamus
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. 85% of the time RGIII just gives it and there's no risk to himself.
that means he keeps it 15% of the time, which is a big arse number for the NFL
and without this option thread, the backside DE won't hold, so he HAS to keep rushing
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RGIII may keep it 5 times a game, and when he does it's not by design
now THAT is disingenuous. he has to keep it for the play to work, so the option is by design
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Baylor had more 60+ yard passing plays than anyone in the nation RGIII's senior year. They were 2nd in 30+, 40+ and 50+ yard plays. Do you always make things up?
i'm talking about what washington has done this year, in the NFL. not what baylor did in the big12 last year
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Clearly, yes you do.
did you watch the game last week?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Its not a buzzword.
The hottest offensive set in college football right now is the diamond/bone formation pioneered by Holgerson. That entire set is based on live run/pass reads, only one if which is the QB tucking it.
The hottest offensive set in college football right now is the diamond/bone formation pioneered by Holgerson. That entire set is based on live run/pass reads, only one if which is the QB tucking it.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:03 pm to dukke v
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AGAINST NFL D'S???????????????? NO a shite schedule of somewhat good players. Think about it.
He's saying one of the weaknesses of the offense that RGIII is running (which he claims is the same one as his college offense) is its inability to attack defense vertically. I was disproving this by showing the deadly vertical nature of his college offense.
It's not that hard of a connection bud
.Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:04 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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The hottest offensive set in college football right now i
and the NFL has been running multiple read plays since the west coast offense dropped in the 80s. it's not a new concept for the NFL
calling the same concepts "package plays" is just using a buzzword to describe an something that's been run for decades
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and the NFL has been running multiple read plays since the west coast offense dropped in the 80s. it's not a new concept for the NFL
Bill Walsh was not packing run/pass option into his offenses. He had options within the passing trees, but his offenses did not encompass run/pass reads.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:06 pm to FootballNostradamus
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He's saying one of the weaknesses of the offense that RGIII is running (which he claims is the same one as his college offense)
i didn't say it's the same as his college offense. that article did. baylor didn't rely on the spread option much and was MUCH more of a spread team
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I was disproving this by showing the deadly vertical nature of his college offense.
and even if i was saying it was the same offense, this is inapplicable b/c that was against college Ds with a different playcaller. he's playing NFL Ds and has shanny running the offense
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:07 pm to FootballNostradamus
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It's not that hard of a connection bud
YOU are the one NOT connected BUD.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm talking about what washington has done this year, in the NFL. not what baylor did in the big12 last year
You claimed Washington was running Baylor's offense dude! Wouldn't it be a fair comparison to note how much Baylor attacked vertically in college and think an offense as similar as it would strive to do the same in the NFL?
Is it no surprise RGIII has 60 and 80 yard TD passes so far this season?
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:07 pm to FootballNostradamus
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He had options within the passing trees, but his offenses did not encompass run/pass reads.
i've known about run/pass reads since i've been following football in the 80s, and it started with the west coast offense
just because it's run out of a shotgun with QB option plays doesn't change the base concepts
hell the indy offense with that stretch play was built on run/pass options by peyton
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
The crux of our argument is that this Washington has more Air Raid / Holgerson / Briles tendancies than Spread Option / Rich Rod tendancies.
We'll just agree to disagree there. No matter how wrong I know you are
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Disagreed on Walsh as well. Its not the same thing. His packages were not 'live'. But what do I know.
We'll just agree to disagree there. No matter how wrong I know you are
. Disagreed on Walsh as well. Its not the same thing. His packages were not 'live'. But what do I know.
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:10 pm to FootballNostradamus
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You claimed Washington was running Baylor's offense dude!
pretty sure i didn't
and anyway
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Wouldn't it be a fair comparison to note how much Baylor attacked vertically in college and think an offense as similar as it would strive to do the same in the NFL?
no
different defenses
differnet playcallers
college is based around the big play. it's much more rare in the NFL
Posted on 9/16/12 at 5:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i've known about run/pass reads since i've been following football in the 80s, and it started with the west coast offense
just because it's run out of a shotgun with QB option plays doesn't change the base concepts
hell the indy offense with that stretch play was built on run/pass options by peyton
:rotflmao: Do you want me to tell you how ridiculous that statement is or do you want to figure it out for yourself.
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