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Revisiting Old Threads: Best College Basketball Team of the 1980s

Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:16 pm
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:16 pm
As you may recall, back in 2017, I made the argument that the 1981-82 North Carolina Tar Heels is the best college basketball team of the 1980s

NOW I modified this a little and picked the 1983-84 Georgetown Hoyas along with the 1982 Tar Heels in the case I make

The Case for the 1982 Tar Heels:

-32-2 overall record, 12-2 in the ACC, ACC regular season and tournament champs
-defeated Ralph Sampson's UVA team 2 of 3 times, defeated Valvano's NCAA-bound NC State team 3x, shellacked then-no. 2 ranked and eventual SEC regular season champ Kentucky 82-69, defeated quality early 80s competition in the NCAA Tournament in Alabama, Villanova, pre-Phi Slama Jama Houston, and defeated a very imposing Georgetown team in one of the greatest games of all-time
-Dean Smith HC, Bill Guthridge, Eddie Fogler, Roy Williams assistants, starting lineup of Worthy, Perkins, Jimmy Black, Matt Doherty, and a then-nationally unknown Michael Jordan (won ACC Rookie of the Year)
-bench leaves much to be desired
-didn't enjoy particularly dominant games in the NCAA Tournament and almost lost to James Madison
-Michael wasn't at his college peak, Sam was near his peak (would become 1983 and 1984 first-team All-American), only Worthy was at peak level
-outside of UVA, Wake, and NC State, 1982 ACC season wasn't the pressure cooker the conference would become in the mid-late 80s with the emergence of Duke and Georgia Tech, also Maryland had a down year. Doesn't dock anything away from UNC but putting it all in context.

The Case for the 1984 Hoyas

34-3 overall record, 14-2 in Big East (Big East regular season and tournament champs)
-Their only 3 losses were by 8 points total to NCAA-bound teams (DePaul would get a 1 seed)
-The depth is off the charts, names which don't need repeating because they threw waves and waves of great athletes at teams and were exceptionally well-coached by Thompson
-One of the all-time great defensive teams in college history
-Throttled exceptionally good competition in the NCAA Tournament, obviously their semifinals second half against Kentucky stands out but they also held the tournament's leading scorer Roosevelt Chapman of Dayton in check in the Elite 8 game
-Probably shouldn't have won the Big East tourney as Pearl Washington shredded their D throughout the game, Michael Graham didn't get thrown out for throwing a punch at a Syracuse player, and other calls Jim Boeheim openly complained about
-Nearly lost in the Tournament out of the gate to SMU
-Probably wasn't the best version of that period's Georgetown, I'd contend the 85 Georgetown team was better and more mature

The case for 1984 Georgetown is too compelling, they get the nod over 1982 North Carolina





This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38080 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:26 pm to
Phi Slama Jamma

I don't care that they lost at the buzzer in the end.

They appeared in two straight National Championship games.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
46919 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

Phi Slama Jamma

I don't care that they lost at the buzzer in the end.



Was coming to say the same thing. They were probably the best team of the 1980s by a wider margin than the best and second best team of most other decades. Poor coaching and a whole lot of flukiness led to one of the great upsets of all time. That shouldn't diminish how good they were.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Phi Slama Jamma


That team, 85 Georgetown, 86 Duke, 88 Oklahoma

the hardest part for me was this left out great teams who didn't win the last game of the season because I think winning the national championship solidifies greatness and that endures since they cut down the nets and won 5-6 games straight in March/April against top-level competition. What's the point of playing college basketball in the end?

That Phi Slama Jama team did lose in the craziest way possible so your point is noted and understandable.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88662 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

As you may recall, back in 2017, I made the argument that the 1981-82 North Carolina Tar Heels is the best college basketball team of the 1980s


How could I forget?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
42845 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 6:38 pm to
'88 Arizona was another great team that didn't win the title
(Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Tom Tolbert, Anthony Cook, Jed Buechler and future HOFer Kenny Lofton)
Posted by moontigr
Washington Commanders/LA Kings Fan
Member since Nov 2020
6018 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:02 pm to
84 Georgetown gets my vote. Played in 3 of 4 title games (82, 84, 85) and nearly won all 3; only the GOAT and a superhuman effort from Villanova prevented that. Beat Phi Slamma Jamma to win it all in 84. Their wars against St. John's back then were fun to watch.
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 12:35 am
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
213676 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:24 pm to
1986 Louisville was really really good.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

1986 Louisville was really really good.


How about I raise you 1980 Louisville which finished 33-3 on the season with the National Player of the Year Dr. Dunkenstein?
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3005 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:19 pm to
Phi Slamma Jamma is the correct answer here!
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38080 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:44 pm to
Houston went 16-0 in the Southwest Conference.

They had a 26 game winning streak heading into the National Championship game.

During the regular season their two losses were to #1 Virginia with Ralph Sampson (who finished ranked #4 before the tournament) and Syracuse in the Carrier Dome by 5 points. That's it.

Coach K was friends with Jim Valvano and he said he thought NC State would get destroyed in the National Championship game. If there's one team apart from 1991 UNLV that shockingly didn't win the Title, it's Phi Slama Jama.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 10:47 pm
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
18142 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:50 pm to
How about frick 1980 and 1986 Louisville?
Posted by cardswinagain
Member since Jun 2013
12751 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:39 pm to
My god we live rent free in the heads of sUcK fans
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
8692 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

Dean Smith HC, Bill Guthridge, Eddie Fogler, Roy Williams assistants


Thats a heck of a staff.

Eddie was imo a better coach for Carolina than Frank Martin ever was. yeah he sucked for us in the postseason, but two years as a 2 seed

Roy Williams speaks for himself.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

Thats a heck of a staff.


Staff like that it’s unthinkable Dean only won one title in the 1980s and never made it back to the Final Four after 82 the rest of the decade. The 1984 Tar Heel team might have been his best ever, better than 82.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6171 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:02 pm to
Dean is over rated as a coach.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36691 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 2:22 pm to
you have to win the title to be considered in these discussions. for kansas, that's a painful admission, but it's true.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 3:28 pm to
Not overrated as a strategist and program builder but certainly overrated with how his team performs in big games, not very good in-game coach there
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Houston went 16-0 in the Southwest Conference.


For context and I love the Phi Slama Jama team, the 1983 Southwest Conference was mediocre outside of Houston, Arkansas, and TCU

quote:

They had a 26 game winning streak heading into the National Championship game.


And beat quality teams in the NCAA Tournament and Arkansas twice to do it

quote:

Coach K was friends with Jim Valvano and he said he thought NC State would get destroyed in the National Championship game. If there's one team apart from 1991 UNLV that shockingly didn't win the Title, it's Phi Slama Jama.


They were so good throughout the season and through the tournament that their biggest weakness, free-throw shooting, wasn't relevant. However, it became relevant and magnified in the National Championship game when Valvano started putting Cougars on the stripe. Even then, they only lost on a freak play that almost went Houston's way with Benny Anders. You cannot come closer to winning a championship without actually winning it than the Phi Slama Jama Cougars.
Posted by winston1970
Huntsville
Member since Sep 2020
1071 posts
Posted on 7/28/22 at 6:02 pm to
1985 La Tech was very good
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