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re: Report: Hamlin did not have pre-existing cardiac issues; collision was cause of incident
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:14 am to RobbBobb
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:14 am to RobbBobb
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Well, in this case it does
No. It doesn't. Good lord, you are ridiculously obtuse.
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And another reason Dr Knight is looking at everything else first
Because they have to eliminate any other heart issues that could have contributed. That's how that works.
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:19 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:I feel that poster is really misunderstanding the diagnosis by exclusion process. Even for those found with commotio cordis, that exact process the poster outlined is how you do it and how they eventually arrived at that diagnosis.
Because they have to eliminate any other heart issues that could have contributed. That's how that works.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:25 am to RobbBobb
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By extremely rare, he means
* its never been reported outside the teen years.
* Its never been reported in football.
* Its never been reported in any venue, due to hard contact.
* Its never been reported other than a specific sized object like a baseball or hockey puck
I'm not sure why you're saying these things, can you clarify these incorrect statements? I'm curious if you can show where you got that from or if you made it up or assumed it?
LINK
This quote alone proves all 4 of your points to be false:
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Ages ranged from 1 to 38 (mean 12) with 70% < 16 years old. The most common sports involved were youth baseball (n=39), softball (n=7), and ice hockey (n=7), but with 3 each in football and soccer and 2 each in karate and rugby. Chest blows were produced in 52 (75%) by a projectile that was part of the game itself such as baseballs or hockey pucks; the other 17 events (25%) did not involve a projectile, but rather were the result of broad surface bodily contact with the victim’s chest, such as in a collision with a teammate or a karate kick.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:49 am to shel311
No where in your study does it say the 3 cases of football involved teens older than 16, nor wearing properly fitted pads
Its rare, Extremely rare per Dr. Knight, the attending physician. And the least likely because its never happened before
I know youre scared that youve been vaxxed, but to grasp onto something thats never happened before is quite the strrrretch
I'm sorry they lied to you. and you believed them. But even the WH is admitting the increase in sudden deaths. The new narrative is to blame it on long covid
Actuarials are showing a significant increase in medical claims, and blaming it on climate change
Its rare, Extremely rare per Dr. Knight, the attending physician. And the least likely because its never happened before
I know youre scared that youve been vaxxed, but to grasp onto something thats never happened before is quite the strrrretch
I'm sorry they lied to you. and you believed them. But even the WH is admitting the increase in sudden deaths. The new narrative is to blame it on long covid
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Long COVID to blame for more than 3,500 deaths so far, CDC reports
Actuarials are showing a significant increase in medical claims, and blaming it on climate change
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Rise in heart disease may be explained by extreme weather conditions - ABC NEWS
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:59 am to RobbBobb
quote:Again, you said:
No where in your study does it say the 3 cases of football involved teens older than 16, nor wearing properly fitted pads
quote:All 4 of these are false.
By extremely rare, he means
* its never been reported outside the teen years.
* Its never been reported in football.
* Its never been reported in any venue, due to hard contact.
* Its never been reported other than a specific sized object like a baseball or hockey puck
quote:Covid has broken. You're so far out of touch with reality, doubt you're ever coming back.
I know youre scared that youve been vaxxed, but to grasp onto something thats never happened before is quite the strrrretch
quote:Sorry you're broken and unable to have a rational conversation without resorting to the cliche lines they tell you over and over and you eat it up.
I'm sorry they lied to you. and you believed them. But even the WH is admitting the increase in sudden deaths. The new narrative is to blame it on long covid
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:24 pm to RobbBobb
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No where in your study does it say the 3 cases of football involved teens older than 16, nor wearing properly fitted pads
LINK
study looked at reported fatalities in high school and college football players. 7 Commotio Cordis cases in high school. 2 in college. obviously doesn't include any survivors.
Is your next argument for why it has "never happened before" because it hasn't happened on Monday night football?
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Its rare,
No one is arguing it isn't rare.
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Extremely rare per Dr. Knight, the attending physician.
I'm an attending physician too. My colleagues who have worked with Dr. Knight at Cincy assure me he is a good doctor, and a good guy, which is why I am confident he completed the workup I described to rule out other causes prior to discharge.
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grasp onto something thats never happened before is quite the strrrretch
So instead of something clearly documented in decades of literature (I understand you are not well read but we've tried to remedy that), you are instead proposing a vaccine given at some point in the past 2 years, via an unknown mechanism (you don't even have a hypothesis for the mechanism), caused a cardiac arrest (that just so happened to occur within seconds of a chest wall trauma) that rapidly responded to CPR/defibrillation without any subsequently identifiable conditions on EKG, CT scan, lab abnormality, or Echo.
I recognize you have no understanding of medicine, pathophysiology, or the process of working up a critically ill patient, which is why I tried to explain it to you. However, I can't teach you if you refuse to learn.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 5:41 pm to studentforlife
Mfs on here will argue with a physician because they read something on gatewaypundit
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:24 am to WestCoastAg
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There’s really only one explanation and it rhymes with trumps baccine.
I don’t think trump is the one that is urging 6 months old and up to get it.
Also don’t believe Trump tried to unconstitutionally use unelected officials to mandate vaccines because he knew he’d never have the votes.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:28 am to Ingeniero
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Mfs on here will argue with a physician because they read something on gatewaypundit
So I should believe one on an anonymous message board and not the other actual ones that are saying hold up?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 6:31 am to shel311
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Sorry you're broken and unable to have a rational conversation without resorting to the cliche lines they tell you over and over and you eat it up.
Yikes…
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:36 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's also about the timing of the hit. I'm not sure why people keep missing that bit of info.
In commotio cordis, it has to be an impact at the chest at a certain point in the heartbeat. Which is why a "routine hit" doesn't matter as much as when the hit occurred during the person's heartbeat. That's what makes it rare.
This, doggone it. Tired of people acting like hit velocity matters more than timing.
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