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re: Reggie Miller Hates Durant's Decision to Join the Warriors More Than Anyone Else
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:06 am to Breadstick Gun
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:06 am to Breadstick Gun
quote:Lebron left for a team that still needed to be figured out and molded. KD just went to a 73 win basketball team
But KD and Lebron were/are both in their prime when they left to team up with other stars.
I'm pumped about KD and GS, but what he and Lebron did aren't even comparable.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:07 am to sugar71
These older guys are just pissed at the amount of money the guys today make. Didn't Sir Charles join the rockets with Clyde Drexler and Akeem to try and win a ring? 3 of the top 50 players of all time on one team. Come on man
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:09 am to airfernando
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and to his immediate family
Because like Sprewell , Durant has a family to feed , right?
Durant's not exactly leaving the "Dust Bowl" in Oklahoma by wagon ,to migrate out West for a better life.
Durant' s got every right to go any place he chooses no matter how big a chump move it really is.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:16 am to WestCoastAg
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But to me, a king should never leave his kingdom. what voice did he have in choosing OKC as his kingdom in the first place
Not even kings(or future kings) can choose what families they are born into
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:57 am to shel311
quote:
owed nothing to anyone in OKC. He owed everything to himself to do what he felt was best for him
People say stuff like this as if it's just an objective fact, almost like they don't realize that it's just a summary of one philosophy that's in competition with and ultimately contradicts traditional ideas of right and wrong.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:03 am to uway
quote:Well, tell us why it's wrong.
People say stuff like this as if it's just an objective fact, almost like they don't realize that it's just a summary of one philosophy that's in competition with and ultimately contradicts traditional ideas of right and wrong.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:05 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Well, tell us why it's wrong.
Tell you why a completely self-interested and devoid of loyalty outlook is wrong?
I'm not even saying its objectively wrong, I'm saying its not been considered virtuous by any past civilization that we respect.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:12 am to uway
I can't comprehend how some people actually compare this situation to kings and kingdoms or the loyalty you feel towards family that you are born into... This is a business and he left one job for another job. Devoid of loyalty? As if the owners can't trade the player away when that suits them?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:25 am to Bench McElroy
I don't blame KD one bit for his decision.
But I agree with every word Reggie said. Which is rare for me
But I agree with every word Reggie said. Which is rare for me
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:28 am to monkeybutt
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This is a business and he left one job for another job. Devoid of loyalty? As if the owners can't trade the player away when that suits them
The lack of loyalty between businesses and employees is considered by many people to be a bad thing, and it's certainly a new thing, historically.
Saying that an employee should have no loyalty towards an employer that has not mistreated them is not an objective statement of fact. It's an opinion.
In this instance it's an even bigger question, or it could be if people were open to debate. Unlike regular joes who leave one job for another job that's better in their opinion, Kevin Durant doesnt have any real worries about money, so he can easily afford to be loyal. And furthermore, it's sports, it's just entertainment. Creating a "super team" is kind of lame from a competitive standpoint, so his move isn't even a neutral one for fans of the sport.
For the record, I'm not personally bothered by what he did, but we should recognize that the idea that he only owes himself anything is just an opinion.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:28 am to uway
quote:Yes. We're talking about an athlete making the best move for himself. Not the owner. Not the corporation. Not the GM. Not the fans. Himself and his family.
Tell you why a completely self-interested and devoid of loyalty outlook is wrong?
ETA: Instead of speaking in abstractions, let's get specific. Who does he owe loyalty to here?
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:39 am to uway
quote:Some time ago, he signed a contract.
For the record, I'm not personally bothered by what he did, but we should recognize that the idea that he only owes himself anything is just an opinion.
Without getting into the contract details, we can say he signed a contract to be loyal to OKC until the end of the 2016 season. At that point, he is no longer under contract and technically not employed by the team. He fulfilled all of the obligations of his contract, he gave the organization everything owed to them, and he no longer owes anything else. It kinda is factual, actually.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:41 am to uway
quote:Also... wtf?
I'm saying its not been considered virtuous by any past civilization that we respect.
Can you delve deeper into the relationship between athletes and corporations in past civilizations?This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:44 am to shel311
quote:
He fulfilled all of the obligations of his contract, he gave the organization everything owed to them, and he no longer owes anything else. It kinda is factual, actually.
some posters speak as fans.
fans identify with the team and resent when players have other values guide their decision processes. Many grew up with players being owned like slaves.
During that time, you could identify with the players as being with you, Celtics or Bears or Redwings.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:57 am to CelticDog
quote:Right, that's emotional.
some posters speak as fans. fans identify with the team and resent when players have other values guide their decision processes. Many grew up with players being owned like slaves. During that time, you could identify with the players as being with you, Celtics or Bears or Redwings.
It's not an absolute, but generally speaking, using emotions to make business decisions isn't always a good idea.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 11:42 am to shel311
It depends. Especially when it comes to sports.
LeBron's decision to return to Ohio was an emotional move, but also a very savvy business move (MIA appeared to have peaked with him).
LeBron's decision to return to Ohio was an emotional move, but also a very savvy business move (MIA appeared to have peaked with him).
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:25 pm to monkeybutt
quote:
As if the owners can't trade the player away when that suits them?
What shitty reasoning.
Your family can disown you at anytime. That means you shouldn't be loyal to them. I can go all day with these family analogies btw. It actually works quite well
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:29 pm to shel311
quote:
It's not an absolute, but generally speaking, using emotions to make business decisions isn't always a good idea.
False. Making an emotional business decision isn't a good idea. But emotions should play a part in every decision you make.
Also lol at anybody thinking he did this for business reasons. He did it for purely emotional reasons. He gets paid more by staying. He would be liked more by fans if he stayed (which factors in his sponsorship deals). So what exactly does he get out this decision business wise?
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:30 pm to Bench McElroy
is that true that the celtics and lakers asked him to come out of retirement?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 12:31 pm to Weagle25
quote:What emotional reasons?
He did it for purely emotional reasons.
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