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re: Quick Recap of LA HS divisional revamp
Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:44 am to LSU316
Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:44 am to LSU316
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Man two days ago I listened to the coach of West Feliciana on Moscona sound like a damn dumbass
I have grown tired of listening to Moscona belittle his callers like he did the other day. It's okay to disagree, but Moscona takes the approach that, "I am smart and know all, and if you disagree with me you are dumb."
Moscona spent time arguing about sports other than football, and the proposal is a football only proposal. Moscona argued that "it's not fair" (his favorite saying from a couple of years ago) for the U-High and Parkview schools to have to play against Jesuit and Rummel. Really? But it's fair for Port Allen to have to compete against Parkview or for Brusly to have to play U-High?
Moscona was very disrepectful to Coach Odom.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:53 am to Choupique19
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I have grown tired of listening to Moscona belittle his callers like he did the other day. It's okay to disagree, but Moscona takes the approach that, "I am smart and know all, and if you disagree with me you are dumb."
Odom and the rest of the supporters of Proposal 18 have very little to stand on and Moscona simply called him on it.
No research was done as to whether an actual problem exists and Coach Odom, like a lot of others, failed to take into consideration the unintended consequences of this action.
I actually found Odom to come off as very disrespectful and petulant, especially with his closing comments telling the privates to "split if they want to."
I thought Moscona did a good job of sticking to the facts and data and not letting Odom wander down the anecdotal/emotional nonsense that we heard at the Capitol.
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Moscona spent time arguing about sports other than football, and the proposal is a football only proposal.
For now. There is another proposal that splits all sports. If the privates didn't fund the majority of these sports, they would have been included as well. I think its a valid point that needs to be discussed because the consequences will be the same if the privates leave the LHSAA.
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Moscona argued that "it's not fair" (his favorite saying from a couple of years ago) for the U-High and Parkview schools to have to play against Jesuit and Rummel. Really? But it's fair for Port Allen to have to compete against Parkview or for Brusly to have to play U-High?
I don't understand why it would be unfair. Is it fair that Dunham has to play Haynesville and Catholic has to play West Monroe?
A lot of people like to exclude the public juggernauts from the equation.
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Moscona was very disrepectful to Coach Odom.
I disagree. He simply called him on his nonsense.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:56 am to Choupique19
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Moscona was very disrepectful to Coach Odom.
I can see that Moscona has to make good radio and the host from Catholic High arguing with a non-select coach on this issue makes for good radio to some people I guess but.....
Odom had no discernable point. I get that he is looking out for his kids, but the LHSAA's job is to look out for what is best for all student athletes and member institutions. I'm still not sure why he is for the split other than the two schools recruiting that he mentioned (JC and Evangel). I'm not sure West Feliciana has ever had any problem with JC or ECA. Have they played those teams ever?
He had no clue why the split is going to hurt schools like McKinley, Glen Oaks, Broadmoor, etc. He also didn't seem interested in hearing explanations as to why that would happen.
I'd also wonder if he would willingly let the LHSAA audit the enrollment and living status of his players? I wonder if we find any whose parents live on the Pointe Coupee Parish side of False River or maybe if he was able to pull any players from Jackson that didn't want to go to EF for whatever reason.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:56 am to Vlad The Inhaler
You have an opinion like everybody on this matter. If there were more private or select schools this never would have passed. They only have about 80-90 select schools vs 200 plus for the public schools. Evangel and John Curtis aren't the only ones recruiting. I heard Muscona make a comment about going after all the schools that recruit including public and private. This would be really hard to enforce all of this. They would have to start with his alma mater a couple of years ago. So many schools do it now. My opinion is let's see how it works for a couple of years. There is nothing to lose. I know the select schools are nervous because they feel more major sport splits are coming. I do feel for them to some degree because with only 80 or so schools they don't have enough membership to form their own league.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:00 am to peopleschamp
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My opinion is let's see how it works for a couple of years. There is nothing to lose
Not going to happen. There is no going back from this. If this proposal takes effect, the privates are splitting; they are not going to allow the LHSAA to treat them like second-class citizens. This has all but been decided. The LHSAA and the public schools are going to have to face the consequences of this poorly conceived idea.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:06 am to peopleschamp
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Evangel and John Curtis aren't the only ones recruiting.
Well if this is so widespread then there must be tangible evidence.....but if there were then id imagine we would have already seen it. The only "evidence" is emotionally driven accusations.
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I heard Muscona make a comment about going after all the schools that recruit including public and private.
As a governing body if the LHSAA thinks there is a problem is it not their function to investigate and solve the problem? Im for small govt but one of their few jobs is creating rules and enforcing them.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:10 am to LSU316
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He had no clue why the split is going to hurt schools like McKinley, Glen Oaks, Broadmoor, etc. He also didn't seem interested in hearing explanations as to why that would happen.
Well I just looked up the schedule for Belaire, Broadmoor, and Plaquemine. These schools are not using private schools to fund their programs. The 3 of them combined had to play one private school in district (St. Michael's), and had only 1 total private school scheduled as a non-district game. So I disagree with the argument that the poor old public schools have to have the big fan bases of the private schools to stay afloat.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:12 am to LSU316
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I'm not sure West Feliciana has ever had any problem with JC or ECA. Have they played those teams ever?
West Feliciana has been stuck with Parkview for years. If you don't think that Parkview has an advantage over West Feliciana then you have blinders on.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:18 am to LSU316
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Odom had no discernable point
Moscona didn't have to be rude about it. He gets that way with many of his callers, and many times mocks them.
If Coach Odom didn't have any good points, then the listening public will hear that and draw their own conclusions. It's not Moscona's job to belittle that caller, or any other caller. Let the people do that to themselves.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:22 am to LSU316
Trust me they don't have to collect money at intersections to fill their athletic busses. Total fabrication of the truth!
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:31 am to Choupique19
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If you don't think that Parkview has an advantage over West Feliciana then you have blinders on.
Of course they do.....better facilities, better coaches, better teachers, higher visibility, more money.....but PBS has the same advantages over E Feliciana who made it to the quarter finals.
How can you justify penalizing the schools that are doing it right?
ETA these same benefits could be seen at the public school level if the parent's give a damn level increased.....see west monroe, acadiana, barbe, kentwood, amite, etc......you cant tell me that west feliciana has less resources than amite and kentwood.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:34 am to tcoachmc
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Trust me they don't have to collect money at intersections to fill their athletic busses. Total fabrication of the truth!
Id say they might for softball and track after a few years of this split.....but it will affect full programs at inner city non-selects more so than community schools.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:55 am to LSU316
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Of course they do.....better facilities, better coaches, better teachers, higher visibility, more money.....but PBS has the same advantages over E Feliciana who made it to the quarter finals.
So you're saying that West Feliciana has had kids that lived in Watson go to school for them so that they could be quarterback and run their option offense? So West Feliciana has kids that live within walking distance of Central High School but choose to attend West Feliciana to be football and baseball standouts?
Private schools do not have attendance zones. They let anyone in their school that they choose to. Public schools, by law, are not allowed to take kids that do not live in their zone (although some public schools do cheat in this area).
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How can you justify penalizing the schools that are doing it right?
That's the issue. Doing it right by allowing kids that live 30 minutes away from your school to attend is not equal to public schools doing it right by playing with only kids that live in their attendance zone.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:06 am to peopleschamp
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I heard Muscona make a comment about going after all the schools that recruit including public and private.
Do private schools deny recruiting? Privates don't have the luxury of having bus loads of kids dropped off at their front door every year. They have to recruit every student that attends.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:08 am to Choupique19
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Doing it right by allowing kids that live 30 minutes away from your school to attend is not equal to public schools doing it right by playing with only kids that live in their attendance zone.
Did the LHSAA not know the private school admission standards when they first let them in? Also if admission standards are the root cause of the split show me the evidence and put it on paper. They wont do that though because that would bring the zoning issues to the front of the discussion as well.
Also attendence zone issues are swept under the rug at as many public schools as there are "recruiting" issues at private schools......not nearly a majority in either direction.
Now if you want my real opinion here.....based on what I heard from Odom non select coaches are butthurt that they dont have what select schools have in the form of parent support which creates resources. In today's America everyone has to win. Although we will start to see the loses over time. It is truly sad because ultimately it hurts all student athletes as a whole in the state. I mean if a kid for west feliciana gets noticed by a UL recruiter at the PBS game and he goes to UL on a full ride that kid benefitted from playing PBS.....that wont happen anymore now.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:24 am to LSU316
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I mean if a kid for west feliciana gets noticed by a UL recruiter at the PBS game and he goes to UL on a full ride that kid benefitted from playing PBS.....that wont happen anymore now.
The arrogance of the private schools show in this type of statement, which Moscona kept using this. The public schools NEED the private schools. I think Coach Odom showed his concern when threatened by Moscona that the private schools are going to pull out of the LHSAA... "Well, bye".
(he didn't word it exactly like that, but that was his sentiments)
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:37 am to Choupique19
Bad examples hoss. Brusly was the toughest game PBS had on their way to the 3A championship this year. It also doesn't help that so many posters on here see how fricked up the EBR public schools are. I am a product of the EBR public school system, and I'm not thrilled about paying tax money paying for that cluster and having to double down on tuition so my kids have a chance when they go to college. Public schools in smaller communities don't suffer from Parker's disease like EBR does.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:48 am to Icansee4miles
EBR schools are flat out terrible!
Posted on 3/7/13 at 10:55 am to Icansee4miles
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Bad examples hoss. Brusly was the toughest game PBS had on their way to the 3A championship this year.
This season. Over the last 10 years, how many seasons has Brusly been competitive with Parkview? So we agree that Parkview can be really good every year, but Brusly has to hope that a good group of athletes come through once every 8-10 years.
Posted on 3/7/13 at 11:00 am to Choupique19
So some schools are better than other schools at certain things? Shocking!
Comeaux used to have a great band program. The director retired, the gifted and talented kids all go to Lafayette high and now Lafayette High's band is great and Comeaux's sucks. Is that fair? Do we need to create a rule? Is that just life?
Comeaux used to have a great band program. The director retired, the gifted and talented kids all go to Lafayette high and now Lafayette High's band is great and Comeaux's sucks. Is that fair? Do we need to create a rule? Is that just life?
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