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re: Playing in Weak Conferences=Making Title Games

Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:18 am to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:18 am to
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on a neutral field, I have Florida a solid near TD chalk over PSU, and like them at Pick 'Em vs Texas and USC.


the 2 best or most talented teams are Florida and USC.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:20 am to
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the 2 best or most talented teams are Florida and USC.

I think Texas beats USC bad.

Texas vs. UF would be a damn good game.
Posted by AlexLSU
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:24 am to
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outside of Illinois, all those teams were ranked in the top 10 and USC the beat the living frick out of them.


Well if you're in a BCS bowl, you generally are in the top 10. The fact that OSU was #1 doesn't change the fact that OSU the last two years sucked dick though.

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You say OU was over hyped, them were fricking undefeated,


So what? They were undefeated in 2003 before getting raped by Kansas State. Their 1-4 BCS record shows that they aren't a successful BCS team.

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Since getting drilled by USC they have been a tab overhyped maybe, but that year they were not.


Because losing 55-19 isn't an indicator of said overratedness. They suck at the end of the season, plain and simple.

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That's impressive hoss, if you don't get that you are just biased, plan and simple.


Beating overmatched teams isn't impressive; it's doing what you should do.
Posted by Nittany Lion
Pennsylvania
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:24 am to
FWIW when we beat Tennessee in the Outback Bowl two years ago they were ranked 18th and we weren't ranked going in. IIRC they were close to a TD favorite.
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:24 am to
The 2002 USC team that played Iowa may have been playing the best ball of any team in the country by season's end, and was very good.

The 2004 USC was their best team Offensively, and the Auburn arguement holds water when versus being there over OU, but USC was the best in the land by far, and would've beat Aubie too, should they have been chosen over OU..just not nearly as badly as the infamous "OU Seasonal Ending Collapse/BCS Egg."
This post was edited on 10/26/08 at 12:27 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:26 am to
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I think Texas beats USC bad.


define bad, they haven't lost a game by more than 7 since 2001, I really don't see this Texas team as that much better frankly. IMO, Florida blowing out Texas would be more likely than Texas blowing out USC.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:28 am to
'bad' as in... two TDs.

Texas has proven that they are pretty fricking legit.

I wouldn't be surprised if UF blew them out... but look at this USC/Arizona game... USC is good, but they're not THAT good either. Not right now.
Posted by Nittany Lion
Pennsylvania
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:29 am to
Texas v USC

Gotta think USC would win that game. Unless the Texas defense is going to play much better. I don't see USC's defense giving up a ton of points to anyone unless it's garbage time...even if they play a team like Texas.
Posted by Hedonist
Austin, Texas
Member since Oct 2008
301 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:31 am to

"While I think USC is legit as hell, beating a bunch of crap Big10 teams like Illinois and Michigan, along with OU (who has a 1-4 BCS record) isn't THAT impressive."

You realize people can say this about LSU, beating OU (2-4 in BCS btw, not 1-4), ND (0-3 in BCS, horrible) and a "crap" OSU team?


USC is damn impressive.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60995 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:40 am to
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Well if you're in a BCS bowl, you generally are in the top 10.


generally, but not in the case of Illinois.

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he fact that OSU was #1 doesn't change the fact that OSU the last two years sucked dick though

No, they were top 5 and overmatched against the teams they played in the BCS CG, unless you are saying that there was only 1 or 2 good teams the last 2 years and everyone else sucked.
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Their 1-4 BCS record shows that they aren't a successful BCS team.


They won the 2000 Orange Bowl BCS C and the 2002 Rose Bowl how are they 1-4 in BCS games? Besides, what they have done since 2004 doesn't matter, In 2004 they were 1 of 3 undefeated teams, they played a better schedule that year than Auburn and with out the benefit of 20/20 hindsight where worthy of playing in hte CG and if they were over rated USC beat the frick out of them, isn't that what great teams are supposed to do?

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Beating overmatched teams isn't impressive; it's doing what you should do


That possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard, I guess you are not impressed at all by LSU winning 2 BCS titles then, I mean we beat a team that according to you sucks at the end of the season by 7 and a crap team by 14, both in our home state, isn't that what we were supposed to do?

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60995 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:44 am to
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You realize people can say this about LSU, beating OU (2-4 in BCS btw, not 1-4), ND (0-3 in BCS, horrible) and a "crap" OSU team?


and we beat Illinois, but all 4 where in New Orleans, crap I thought it was impressive winning 4 BCS bowls, but I guess not.
Posted by MJRuffalo
Huntington Beach
Member since May 2008
6619 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:47 am to
The USC defense would be shock to any of those offenses like Florida or Texas. They see nothing close to it all season. Texas would have a better shot vs USC than Florida because of Colt's accuracy. That Florida spread would not work that well vs USC.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60995 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:51 am to
Dude, I give your D props, there is tons of talent, but its is not that much better than D's UF sees in the SEC. You could easily beat Florida or anyone for that matter, but your D would not "shock" them at all and what makes you think it wouldn't work at all against USC?
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:55 am to
Playing in weak conferences = making bcs games = getting absolutely embarrased when they finally do play a good team..
ex: ohio state/illinois.

Posted by Nittany Lion
Pennsylvania
Member since Oct 2005
3612 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:57 am to
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The USC defense would be shock to any of those offenses like Florida or Texas.


Another reason why I would love the chance for us to play USC. I think we could put all this Oregon State stuff to bed. I think we both played Ohio State and we both can agree Ohio St's offense isn't quite there but both of our offenses can be really explosive and both of our defenses can play shutdown football.

I'm sure a lot of people here wouldn't want to see that in the end but I would think it would be a great game for both schools.
Posted by MJRuffalo
Huntington Beach
Member since May 2008
6619 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:58 am to
No, I see no great defenses in the SEC this year. Inflated stats playing vs horrible QB's. Georgia has a pretty good D, but they were gashed today, South Carolina is pretty good on D. USC's is a completely different animal though.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:58 am to
I said the same could be said for LSU, so don't try the biased bullshite.

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generally, but not in the case of Illinois.


So 1/6 wasn't. Awesome. I think that warrants the word generally.

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No, they were top 5 and overmatched against the teams they played in the BCS CG, unless you are saying that there was only 1 or 2 good teams the last 2 years and everyone else sucked.


What the frick are you talking about? You're saying that it's impressive that USC beats top 10 teams, but OSU was the #1 team in 2006 and 2007 and it didn't mean shite. Rankings don't reflect how good a team is always.

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They won the 2000 Orange Bowl BCS C and the 2002 Rose Bowl how are they 1-4 in BCS games


I was referring to the time of USC relevance (since 2002).

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Besides, what they have done since 2004 doesn't matter, In 2004 they were 1 of 3 undefeated teams, they played a better schedule that year than Auburn and with out the benefit of 20/20 hindsight where worthy of playing in hte CG and if they were over rated USC beat the frick out of them, isn't that what great teams are supposed to do?


1. They didn't play a better schedule than Auburn. 2. The fact that they won by 36 points is impressive, but the fact that they played a choke artist in the title game doesn't make it THAT impressive. Same with UF and LSU over OSU.

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That possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard,


So saying a team that oozes talent like USC beating a weak Big10 team is handling business is possibly the dumbest thing you've ever heard? Did you hear me say it over the internet, or did you read it?

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I guess you are not impressed at all by LSU winning 2 BCS titles then, I mean we beat a team that according to you sucks at the end of the season by 7 and a crap team by 14, both in our home state, isn't that what we were supposed to do?


When we beat OU, they were still undefeated in BCS bowls. They didn't show signs of choking up until that point. After that, yes, we should have won ever game by a large margin. Beating OSU and ND isn't exactly some incredible accomplishment. It's great to win a BCS game regardless, but UGA beating Hawaii isn't exactly impressive just because it's a BCS game.

Posted by Nittany Lion
Pennsylvania
Member since Oct 2005
3612 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:58 am to
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Playing in weak conferences = making bcs games


FWIW we're 1-0 in BCS games.

Don't judge a book by a conference's cover.
This post was edited on 10/26/08 at 12:59 am
Posted by GoBigOrange86
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:58 am to
USC is the exception to pretty much every rule when talking about shitty conferences.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 10/26/08 at 1:00 am to
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You realize people can say this about LSU, beating OU (2-4 in BCS btw, not 1-4), ND (0-3 in BCS, horrible) and a "crap" OSU team?


I'm sure I realize it since I posted it earlier in the god damn thread fricktard. Christ I hate it when people don't read the fricking posts.
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