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re: Pittsburgh Pirates annual trade deadline fire sale is officially underway
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:27 pm to Wayne Campbell
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:27 pm to Wayne Campbell
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I don't think there's a team out there with the haul it would require to get 4 controlled years of a legit 1A ace.
Tigers have #6, #10, #34, #51 and #76.
The pirates currently only have two top 100 prospects in their entire system the second of which barely makes the cut.
They'd be far better served trying for three of those four than sitting on Skenes for four years knowing he wont stay unless they drastically improve between now and then with only one star level guy coming up (#1 Griffin) who is projected as a 2027 guy.
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Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:30 pm to Schmelly
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Anybody that woulda traded for Keller was in a pennant race. Those teams aren’t giving up “MLB bats” right now. And Keller has a big contract…that negates any real return for middling starter
Moot point now. Keller stayed put.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:33 pm to Godfather1
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Moot point now. Keller stayed put.
Lol…because of those reasons
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:33 pm to tide06
Skenes is the Cowboys trading Herschel Walker to the Vikings type of opportunity for the Pirates. They have one valuable asset they could parlay into multiple high levels prospects they could use to develop a system and a team. They'd be stupid not to cash in this off-season for their sake, Skenes sake, and the betterment of MLB.
Everybody wins if they trade Skenes for a haul.
Everybody wins if they trade Skenes for a haul.
This post was edited on 7/31/25 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:36 pm to Schmelly
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Lol…because of those reasons
Not really. In this very thread, I predicted Cherington would give him away.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:42 pm to SoDakHawk
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Skenes is the Cowboys trading Herschel Walker to the Vikings type of opportunity for the Pirates. They have one valuable asset they could parlay into multiple high levels prospects they could use to develop a system and a team. They'd be stupid not to cash in this off-season for their sake, Skenes sake, and the betterment of MLB.
Everybody wins if they trade Skenes for a haul.
The big problem here is that under Nutting/Cherington, the Pirates have been notoriously poor at developing prospects. And the few that do get developed are gone in a trade for yet MORE prospects as soon as they come up. Which is why Pirate fans are fed up with being essentially a AAA ballclub for contenders at the deadline. We know that even if Cherington doesn’t get fleeced, he’s just gonna waste or trade off any capital he acquires.
Bottom line: the Pirates are essentially a tax writeoff for Bob Nutting.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:44 pm to Godfather1
They were good at it once upon a time (like early 2010s) but not anymore obviously. They’re also running like a 75 million dollar payroll, so they could just spend some money instead of trading the best pitcher in the game. Getting two solid contributors out of Skenes type deal is a good outcome. A great outcome is like what the Nats have ended up with from the Soto deal, which is a good comp for what the Pirates could ask for.
To act like you can rebuild a franchise with a trade like that is simply false, especially when your owner is cheap as frick
To act like you can rebuild a franchise with a trade like that is simply false, especially when your owner is cheap as frick
This post was edited on 7/31/25 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 7/31/25 at 9:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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your owner is cheap as frick
And this is what it all comes down to. He doesn’t want to spend the money. He doesn’t mind losing some revenue - again, because he’s primarily a newspaper mogul, and the Pirates losing a little bit of money is good for his tax return. But he sure as hell isn’t putting any significant $$$ into the franchise.
It’s a variation on the old Connie Mack philosophy on ownership. When Mack owned the Philadelphia A’s, his ideal goal was to finish 2nd in the AL every year…his rationale being that a contender puts asses in the seats until the end of the season. But if the team doesn’t win the pennant, his stars couldn’t justify demanding a raise. “We lost WITH you, we couldn’t do any worse WITHOUT you.”
This post was edited on 7/31/25 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:09 am to tide06
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Tigers have #6, #10, #34, #51 and #76.
The pirates currently only have two top 100 prospects in their entire system the second of which barely makes the cut.
They'd be far better served trying for three of those four than sitting on Skenes for four years
I think it’d take all 4, not 3 of 4. And if you’re the Tigers, you have to like your current spot so the question is, while Skenes would improve their front end pitching, is it enough to mortgage their future.
More likely the Pirates will do what they did with Cole, ride him through a couple arbitration seasons and then trade him for a reasonably good haul that another team will agree to.
The problem for the Pirates (their fans anyway) is that it ultimately won’t matter either way. Management is not concerned with winning.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:38 am to Wayne Campbell
I’m a lifelong Pirates fan dating back to the late 60’s. Alou, Maz. Alley, Clemente, Manny, etc.
It’s tragic a franchise with such a proud history has been allowed to fall so far.
It’s tragic a franchise with such a proud history has been allowed to fall so far.
Posted on 8/1/25 at 7:55 am to Wayne Campbell
If I can lockup Skubal to a long term deal and get four years of controlled Skenes with a lineup that already went deep in the playoffs last year I do it for 3 of those guys no question and would think hard on the 4th.
You’d be starting every playoff series with peak Skubal and Skenes arguably the two best pitchers in the league with some really high end potential guys behind them like Mize and Jobe plus Flagerty. And keep in mind they already lead the AL central which was just gutted via trade (white Sox, Twins and guardians all in rebuild mode). Their window is open.
Even if your lineup isn’t equal to the Dodgers for a smaller market team that’s about your best path to a World Series.
Say two of those prospects become all stars with one being a 10 year cornerstone guy. Would you rather have that or Skenes? I’m going with Skenes.
Both teams would legitimately be better off in that scenario.
You’d be starting every playoff series with peak Skubal and Skenes arguably the two best pitchers in the league with some really high end potential guys behind them like Mize and Jobe plus Flagerty. And keep in mind they already lead the AL central which was just gutted via trade (white Sox, Twins and guardians all in rebuild mode). Their window is open.
Even if your lineup isn’t equal to the Dodgers for a smaller market team that’s about your best path to a World Series.
Say two of those prospects become all stars with one being a 10 year cornerstone guy. Would you rather have that or Skenes? I’m going with Skenes.
Both teams would legitimately be better off in that scenario.
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