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Posted on 8/30/10 at 8:56 pm to 1ranter1
quote:STILL not as good as Mo Rivera in the playoffs. Over a span of 15 years and in that same offensive explosion, Mo Rivera has simply shut down the best teams in the highest pressure situations. He's pitching high leverage innings in the postseason. His numbers, over his career:
The guy had a 1.74 ERA with 12 k/9 and a 2.07 ERA with 13 k/9 as a starter in the American League in the middle of an offensive explosion. Those numbers are insane.
8-1, 39 Svs
88 Gms
133.1 IP
107 K
21 BB
0.74 ERA
This is the highest pressure situation against nothing but, by definition, playoff caliber teams. And Rivera, over 15 postseasons, has thoroughly dominated. In 29 playoff series, he's only allowed 2 runs in a SERIES two times. And never 3 runs. Not just "earned" runs. All runs. The guy is the greatest postseason pitcher of all time and frankly, it's not that close.
And my Yankee hating bona fides are stellar. But credit where credit is due. Rivera is a freak.
This post was edited on 8/30/10 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 8/30/10 at 9:01 pm to Baloo
Good job Baloo 
Posted on 8/30/10 at 10:54 pm to Cosmo
Billy Chapel
Walter Johnson
Don Drysdale
Mo
Pedro
Walter Johnson
Don Drysdale
Mo
Pedro
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
Nolan Ryan.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:20 pm to OUandLSUfan
Ricky Vaughn
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:40 pm to Cosmo
Carl Hubbell
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:50 pm to tss22h8
Eric gagne on steroids.
Posted on 8/30/10 at 11:53 pm to Suntiger
quote:
How about a darkhorse. T. Wakefield.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 2:14 am to Cosmo
Doc Ellis on Acid!
Posted on 8/31/10 at 2:56 am to GeauxTigers8
quote:
Mariano Rivera. If anyone says someone different your an idiot
I would agree but to be different I would say Trevor Hoffman. Dude was the model of consistency in his prime.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 3:01 am to lsu480
There's really no right or wrong answer, unless you go way out there, but I would say any list that has Nolan Ryan, Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez or Doc Gooden on it is a pretty good one...I would also throw in a guy who had a good - not great career - but in his great year, was absolutely filthy, and that was Mike Scott...his splitty was as good as I've ever seen and he could get swings and misses from even the most disciplined, contact hitters...punched out 306 batters in 1986, and was as dominant as any pitcher I can remember down the stretch that year.
There are a bunch of closers you could name but I believe if any of the above had ever in that role, they would be as good or better than any of the elite closers...that's why they were Hall of Fame caliber, No. 1 type starters to begin with.
There are a bunch of closers you could name but I believe if any of the above had ever in that role, they would be as good or better than any of the elite closers...that's why they were Hall of Fame caliber, No. 1 type starters to begin with.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 3:04 am to dawgfan1979
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I would agree but to be different I would say Trevor Hoffman. Dude was the model of consistency in his prime.
Hoffman is an off-the-wall choice, but not a bad one...his changeup is as good as there's ever been, and in his prime, it was an out-pitch to both left and righthand hitters...I wouldn't mind running him out there for one inning, that's for sure.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 5:47 am to Informer
Pud Galvin
(like the name)
(like the name)
Posted on 8/31/10 at 6:03 am to gthog61
I'll go with the old guys
Christy Matthewson
Cy Young
Walter Johnson
Christy Matthewson
Cy Young
Walter Johnson
Posted on 8/31/10 at 6:19 am to shoelessjoe
Nolan Ryan so he could pitch to Robyn Ventura and beat that arse again! 
Posted on 8/31/10 at 6:37 am to 178cajun
JR Richard
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:46 am to WMTigerFAN
I'll never understand why people think Ryan is on the same level as Gibson. Ryan is a great pitcher, and a worthy Hall of Famer, but he walked a ton of people, didn't really have a great ERA, and simply challenged everybody, which lead to a lot of home runs. I understand why people like him. Hell, I like him. But when actually going through the list of who is the best, Nolan Ryan is nowhere near the top ten, and likely is having trouble making the top 25. There's more to pitching than just striking people out.
I mena, I'd much rather have Carlton, Seaver, or Palmer to mention some of his contemporaries. We're talking about a guy who NEVER won a Cy Young. He's 1st all time in strikeouts. He's also first in walks allowed. and hits allowed. Bert Blyleven is fifth all-time in strikouts and can't get in the Hall, yet Ryan's reputation continually increases each year despite not being that much better of a pitcher.
Nolan Ryan inspires cult-like devotion. I simply don't get that. He's not on the same planet as Koufax and Gibson. He's not even on the same planet as Seaver and Carlton.
I mena, I'd much rather have Carlton, Seaver, or Palmer to mention some of his contemporaries. We're talking about a guy who NEVER won a Cy Young. He's 1st all time in strikeouts. He's also first in walks allowed. and hits allowed. Bert Blyleven is fifth all-time in strikouts and can't get in the Hall, yet Ryan's reputation continually increases each year despite not being that much better of a pitcher.
Nolan Ryan inspires cult-like devotion. I simply don't get that. He's not on the same planet as Koufax and Gibson. He's not even on the same planet as Seaver and Carlton.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:48 am to Baloo
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He's not even on the same planet as Seaver and Carlton.
In Nolans defense all games were indeed played on Earth
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:51 am to fightingtiger2335
I'm not sure Carlton's were. He is a wierd dude. And he played in Philly, which I think might be an intergalactic wormhole.
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