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re: Phil Jackson and Daryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins on black vs white ballers
Posted on 7/14/24 at 8:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 7/14/24 at 8:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I want to say the last "team" NBA title was maybe the 2004 Pistons? (Or 2005)
2014 Spurs. Beautifully unselfish offense.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:06 am to tiggerthetooth
I would say the Golden State Warriors whose offense was constant movement without the ball,screens and motion..
I submit that the Warriors were above average when it came to team basketball and offensive basketball iq .
They shared ball as good as the '14 Spurs and the Showtime Lakers that own the season assist record..
Starting in the 2014-15 championship season through the 2023-24 season;they led the league in average assists per game 7 times....
'14-'15 apg 26
'15-'16 apg 27
'16-'17 apg 30
'17-'18 apg 28
'18-'19 apg 29
'19-'20 apg 25*
'20'21 apg 27
'21-'22 apg 27*
'22-'23 apg 29
'23-'24 apg 29*
*** denotes the seasons that the GSW did not lead the NBA in apg
The 2013-14 championship winner, San Antonio Spurs averaged 25apg.....
I submit that the Warriors were above average when it came to team basketball and offensive basketball iq .
They shared ball as good as the '14 Spurs and the Showtime Lakers that own the season assist record..
Starting in the 2014-15 championship season through the 2023-24 season;they led the league in average assists per game 7 times....
'14-'15 apg 26
'15-'16 apg 27
'16-'17 apg 30
'17-'18 apg 28
'18-'19 apg 29
'19-'20 apg 25*
'20'21 apg 27
'21-'22 apg 27*
'22-'23 apg 29
'23-'24 apg 29*
*** denotes the seasons that the GSW did not lead the NBA in apg
The 2013-14 championship winner, San Antonio Spurs averaged 25apg.....
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:47 pm to YStar
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You guys love to degrade and hate black people then are stunned when they don't side with your views or vote your political preferences
I'm confused... Are you including Chocolate Thunder himself in "you guys"
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:53 pm to Velocity80
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"The black game by itself is too chaotic and much too selfish…. White culture places more of a premium on winning, and less on self-indulgent preening and chest-beating…. In basketball and in civilian life, freedom without structure winds up being chaotic and destructive." - Darryl Dawkins
"White players are more often willing to run patterns and to work collectively. Because of the predominance of blacks in pro basketball, the sport is rapidly disintegrating into a one-on-one sport. There are only five or six NBA teams who play with more than a superficial degree of team unity," -Phil Jackson
So Billy Hoyle was right
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I think there is a good argument the modern NBA is too hyper-individualistic.
Obviously. Compared to other sports, the NBA has by far the most fans that are fans of players rather than teams and just follow a player(s) wherever they go. Not saying these fans don't exist in other sports but nowhere near the level of what the NBA has.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:36 pm to Velocity80
2024 seems like an odd year to bust this out, hero ball was more common in the immediate post-Jordan era but has waned quite a bit. Someone like Iverson probably represents the peak.
Now the Eastern European influence is huge, and someone like Steve Kerr having a ton of success as a coach (who was a 3pt specialist as a player) has put a premium on open shot making, to the point where true driving scorers are less valued.
Now the Eastern European influence is huge, and someone like Steve Kerr having a ton of success as a coach (who was a 3pt specialist as a player) has put a premium on open shot making, to the point where true driving scorers are less valued.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:10 pm to htran90
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just ignored the entire 2010s with the beautiful game spurs and the gsw dynasty that emphasized team ball and off ball movement.
Few people on this board actually watch NBA
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:21 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
want to say the last "team" NBA title was maybe the 2004 Pistons? (Or 2005)
The Spurs had a “team” dynasty
Posted on 7/15/24 at 8:38 pm to Velocity80
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The black game by itself is too chaotic and much too selfish…. White culture places more of a premium on winning, and less on self-indulgent preening and chest-beating…. In basketball and in civilian life, freedom without structure winds up being chaotic and destructive." - Darryl Dawkins
Who knew Dawkins was such a philosopher?
Respect
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:11 pm to YStar
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You guys love to degrade and hate black people then are stunned when they don't side with your views or vote your political preferences.
It's the weird obsession; you want to hate someone but you want them to entertain you and support you
The story of America.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:00 pm to tiggerthetooth
Spurs
Warriors
Celtics last two titles
Mavericks
Warriors
Celtics last two titles
Mavericks
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:13 am to Velocity80
The coach who won 5 titles with Kobe doesn’t like modern basketball because not enough passing??? Now that’s some funny hypocritical stuff.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:28 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:
want to say the last "team" NBA title was maybe the 2004 Pistons? (Or 2005)
Warriors, Spurs, Nuggets, have all won titles since then and were true “teams”.
Hell, the super team heat were a phenomenal teal with an incredible collection of talent also.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 6:13 am to Velocity80
I love how this country is trying so hard to end prejudice, yet we also go out of our way to make everything about race. Carry on.
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