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re: pete carroll has destroyed usc
Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:24 pm to RandyMarsh
Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:24 pm to RandyMarsh
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Given the fact that media gives Pete Carroll and Southern Cal credit for a national title that they didn't win
In 2003 the USC Trojans won the AP national Championship. So I think they are given credit for that.
So in 1990, do we discount Colorado's or Washington's?
This post was edited on 1/9/10 at 12:28 pm
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Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:37 pm to sms151t
1990 was Colorado and Ga Tech
1991 Washington and Tha U
1991 Washington and Tha U
Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
Washington claims National titles in 90 and 91. I think one of them is Sporting News.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:55 pm to scfratguy
quote:...by poorly-informed people.
Especially now seeing as how de-valued the BCS has become. The BCS national title game participants are constantly disputed.
Every single time there has been any dispute whatsoever, the two teams in the BCSCG have had one of the following:
a) a better record than the "screwed" teams
b) a tougher SOS than the "screwed" teams
c) both a & b
Every single time.
We're fed "controversy" by the sports media because controversy sells. But, the BCS has gotten it right every single time.
That's not to say that it's the best possible system, but it has given us the two most deserving teams every time.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 12:57 pm to Cabby
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He built it, he can destroy it if he wants.
This
Most retarded statement ever.
So if Saban had left LSU under the same circumstances, you guys would be saying the same thing then ?
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:00 pm to jwils49
It wasn't like USC was winning much before Carroll.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:02 pm to xiv
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the BCS has gotten it right every single time.
This is a circular argument.
The BCS formula has not been constant. It was changed pretty much every year until the current format was set up in 2005.
Under the current format there would have been at least 3 different BCS CG in the past and you would say the BCS got those right.
I do agree that anyone who says the BCS is devalued or that those who constantly dispute the title game opponents are poorly informed and that the media feeds the controversy.
A better statement is to say the BCS got the National Champion right every time.
This post was edited on 1/9/10 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:10 pm to jwils49
quote:
Mike Garrett has destroyed usc
fixed
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A better statement is to say the BCS got the National Champion right every time.
There should be no argument about the BCS national championships, you can argue who finished number two all you want. Its the best system without a playoff
Needs to be a playoff however.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:But what has been constant is that when Team A says they were screwed, they have either a worse record and/or a weaker schedule than the two teams who qualified.
The BCS formula has not been constant.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:18 pm to xiv
Strength of Schedule is so arbitrary. It is also biased.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:21 pm to sms151t
quote:Not sure how math can be biased.
Strength of Schedule is so arbitrary. It is also biased.
When I refer to schedule strength, I refer to the combined winning percentage of opponents and opponents' opponents.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:33 pm to xiv
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ot sure how math can be biased.
When I refer to schedule strength, I refer to the combined winning percentage of opponents and opponents' opponents.
a weighted formula would be better.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
if you enjoy pete fuitak's thoughts/opinions, here's his take on the petey to seattle situation LINK
Posted on 1/9/10 at 1:43 pm to xiv
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But what has been constant is that when Team A says they were screwed, they have either a worse record and/or a weaker schedule than the two teams who qualifi
That would not have been the case if the current formula had been used form the get go.
In the end the people that claim such and such team got screwed would only be happy with a multi team playoff.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 2:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
This is what has always amazed me about the USC fanbase about the Reggie Bush case: they deny violations occured in the first place, and that sanctions are coming in the second.
We know the Bush family stayed in a house owned by a sports agent during the time Bush was at USC. We know they didn't pay because later Bush attempted to settle out of court. We know the value of the house because it's a matter of public record. We know what similar houses rented for because that's also common knowledge.
The amount commonly banded about is $200,000, which if proven would make it the worst rules infraction in NCAA history, dwarfing the infractions commited by SMU that led to that school getting the death penalty.
And we know that the only reason the Reggie Bush case is still ongoing is because Bush's lawyers had the court records sealed up to this point. We also know that Bush recently lost an appeal that would make court depositions in his settlement suit public.
Given that Bush had no contact with the sports agents in question as a pro, all of his dealings with them occured while he was in college.
While it may or may not be proven that USC was actively involved in the case, the combination of the Reggie Bush case, the OJ Mayo case, and the recent McKnight case may get USC charged with lack of institutional control.
I'd bet the over on USC getting hammered by NCAA penalties.
We know the Bush family stayed in a house owned by a sports agent during the time Bush was at USC. We know they didn't pay because later Bush attempted to settle out of court. We know the value of the house because it's a matter of public record. We know what similar houses rented for because that's also common knowledge.
The amount commonly banded about is $200,000, which if proven would make it the worst rules infraction in NCAA history, dwarfing the infractions commited by SMU that led to that school getting the death penalty.
And we know that the only reason the Reggie Bush case is still ongoing is because Bush's lawyers had the court records sealed up to this point. We also know that Bush recently lost an appeal that would make court depositions in his settlement suit public.
Given that Bush had no contact with the sports agents in question as a pro, all of his dealings with them occured while he was in college.
While it may or may not be proven that USC was actively involved in the case, the combination of the Reggie Bush case, the OJ Mayo case, and the recent McKnight case may get USC charged with lack of institutional control.
I'd bet the over on USC getting hammered by NCAA penalties.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 4:02 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
How much you wanna bet?
Posted on 1/9/10 at 4:06 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
He's CFB's version of John Calipari.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 4:24 pm to Geauxtiga
I hate to break it to you. but EVERY successful school violates rules in some way or another. as for carrol, USC was very average before he got there, and he won what, 8 pac 10 titles in a row? you can say he ran away from the trouble and I agree, but you can't say he ruined USC.
Posted on 1/9/10 at 6:11 pm to Trojan Ace
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How much you wanna bet?
-Trojan Ace
What are you willing to lose? And I'm not going to agree to any time limitation...it's already dragged on for six plus years.
If you honestly feel that Pete isn't leaving USC at least partly due to the looming NCAA sanctions, I feel sorry for you. You are in for a massive heartache.
It's called karma. And it can be a b*tch.
This post was edited on 1/9/10 at 6:12 pm
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