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re: People will never put Lebron on the same pedestal as they do MJ/Kobe
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:19 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:19 pm to Drewbie
They're different types of players. Jordan and Kobe were scorers Lebron is more like Magic and Bird where he leads his team by making the correct play. There's no reason to rank them 1 through 5 or 10 or whatever all of them made contending teams dominant teams so their affect on games were similarly great. Jordan is on a slightly higher level because he was not only the best offensive player but was equally great on defense where the rest aren't. I don't understand the Kobe hate though, 10 years ago the Lebron discussion was the exact same for Kobe and the guy was 5-2 in the finals.
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Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:25 pm to Madking
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Jordan is on a slightly higher level because he was not only the best offensive player but was equally great on defense where the rest aren't.
Um, LBJ is no slouch on defense, ol' sport.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:27 pm to Drewbie
quote:Wait, you have Kobe ahead of LeBron?
Fair or not, I believe it's that gear that will always keep Lebron on the outer edge of the 3.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:29 pm to Drewbie
quote:Did you not see game 6 vs the Celtics or game 7 vs the Spurs? 2007 singlehandedly beating Detroit? No?
I said as much during the time too. It was the first time I saw Lebron kick it into true closer gear.
Lebron has way more huge playoff performances in big spots than Kobe, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative!!!
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:31 pm to Madking
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I don't understand the Kobe hate though, 10 years ago the Lebron discussion was the exact same for Kobe and the guy was 5-2 in the finals
It's not hate, it's just properly rating him.
There is a way to argue Jordan is better than LeBron without hating on LeBron. The same is true for LeBron vs Kobe.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:33 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:Pretty sure he also hit the game winner in OT with 1 minute left. Not to mention the shot to put it away in game 7...but who cares about those things, Kobe makes a mean face, that trumps everything!!!
He also hit a three in that time to close the gap and give Allen a chance to even be able to tie it, but no one ever wants to talk about that
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:33 pm to slackster
quote:No, that gif is the GOAT sports gif.
That Matt Barnes gif, while cool, is overplayed. That ball is nearly a foot to Kobe's right when he fakes the pass.
ETA:That's not sarcasm.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:36 pm to Madking
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I don't understand the Kobe hate though
It's not hating on Kobe to say LeBron is better than him
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:39 pm to shel311
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No, that gif is the GOAT sports gif.
In gif form, from that angle, I agree. In reality it's not AS good.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Def not a slouch but not the best in the league on d and hasn't been a lockdown man to man defender since his first stint in Cleveland.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:42 pm to Madking
Fair enough. He's more of a help defender, but he'll defend the best opposing player in crunch time as well as anyone.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:42 pm to Madking
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Def not a slouch bit not the best in the league on d and hasn't been a man to man defender since his first stint in Cleveland
In his peak, from about 2009-2012, he was the best on ball defender in the league. What he did to Paul Pierce and Derrick Rose in those playoff series was criminal.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:44 pm to VADawg
Disagree Paul piece consistently lit him up and he never took Rose one on one for a game, they rotated him wade and chambers on rose to wear him down.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:46 pm to slackster
Yes I know it's a strange comparison but he is used a lot like Ewing was in New York. Oakley was the defender but Ewing was used to help and erase or cleanup anything that got by the defense. Lebron kinda does the same thing.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 5:49 pm to Madking
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Disagree Paul piece consistently lit him up
In the 2010 ECSF, he shut down Pierce for just about the entire series. Rondo and Garnett are the ones who lit the Cavs up.
I agree with what you said earlier that he's at his best as sort of a free safety, but the guy was a great one on one defender for a stretch
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:01 pm to VADawg
Yes he was a very good defender but for only half his career. Not saying he's not effective or wasn't a good on ball guy at some point but he's not on MJs level and you never see him guarding the opponents best player. I do think he's much better than Magic or Bird but Kobe made some all defensive teams and Magic has some great steals numbers.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:06 pm to VADawg
It really comes down to Lebron's whining and theatrics for me. I just can't pull for the guy.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:10 pm to jprice4608
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It really comes down to Lebron's whining and theatrics for me. I just can't pull for the guy.
Just because you can't pull for someone doesn't mean you can't acknowledge how great they are. It's like me with the Pete Carroll USC teams. I absolutely loathed them but freely admit that they were historically great.
Spurrier is probably a better example. Couldn't stand the guy but he modernized SEC football.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:16 pm to Drewbie
quote:The biggest blemish on LeBron's record is the 2011 NBA Finals against the Mavs. If that's his blemish, then what about the Lakers, the #2 seed, getting swept by the the Mavs, especially game 4 by 36 points?
Fair or not, I believe it's that gear that will always keep Lebron on the outer edge of the 3.
Game 4--2011 Lakers and Mavs
Kobe's "3rd gear" resulted in 17 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks, & 5 turnovers. He was -29 in 37 minutes.
This included 0-5 in the second half with 2 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, and 2 turnovers.
Or what the 3-1 series lead against Phoenix in 2006 first round, only to lose 4-3 including a 31 point loss in Game 7?
Game 7--2006 Lakers and Suns
Talk about that 3rd gear!
Posted on 5/23/17 at 6:16 pm to Drewbie
LeBron is not a sociopath
therefore,
not the GOAT.
Thanks for the hot take
therefore,
not the GOAT.
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Drewbie
Thanks for the hot take
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 6:17 pm
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