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re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by wildtigercat93 on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to ballscaster
Semantics. I just dont see the point of football sanctions either way
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ShamelessPel on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to ballscaster
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If I'm not mistaken, USC players were also given the opportunity to transfer without sitting out a year if they wanted.
I only bring this up because everyone is citing PSU's lack of employment of said individuals as the reason that this should no longer be an issue.
The amount of people defending the "legacy" of a school that allowed a former coach to use the PSU name to rape kids for 10 years is beyond me I believe.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by RollTide1987 on 9/24/13 at 11:51 am to ballscaster
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Didn't occur. Players got the opportunity to transfer and not sit out if they so chose.
Yep. But there was no guarantee they would start or even play at their new school. So, yes, it was still hurting the players.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 11:52 am to RollTide1987
quote:I'd say that if an athletic department knowingly covered up an actual murder, then yeah, sanctions should follow. Jesus, dude.
That at least had something to do with athletics. While what Sandusky did was monstrous, no competitive advantage was gained and the only connection the crime had to the athletic program was that some of the incidents went down inside the facility.
If a coach went on a murder spree inside the athletic building of some random college, after his fellow coaches missed obvious signs that he was psychotic, should the football program go on probation because of it?
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by wildtigercat93 on 9/24/13 at 11:53 am to ShamelessPel
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The amount of people defending the "legacy" of a school that allowed a former coach to use the PSU name to rape kids for 10 years is beyond me I believe.
Yeah, thats exactly whats happening here
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 11:53 am to RollTide1987
quote:Irrelevant. They are given the opportunity to attend school and participate in their chosen extra-curricular activity. Playing time is not a factor here.
Yep. But there was no guarantee they would start or even play at their new school. So, yes, it was still hurting the players.
This post was edited on 9/24 at 11:55 am
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by tylercsbn9 on 9/24/13 at 11:59 am to wildtigercat93
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It just never really made sense to me. Its a good PR move for the NCAA, sure, but the football penalties never really made sense to me
Fine the ever living shite out of the athletic department, make their lives a living hell, make sure every guy that lead the program is fired, do all that and more, but giving a direct punishment to the current and new players and brand new coaches to try to make sure they are not good at football anymore, just makes no actual sense to me
This
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 12:00 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:That's not what semantics means.
Semantics
If Joe Football Player is a high school senior hoping to play college football, and then the Penn State stuff comes out during his senior season, Joe Football Player, as well as everybody else on earth, knows that Penn State is going to be punished somewhat for something. This is all 10 months before JFP ever sets foot on a college campus.
If he then chooses to go to Penn State, and you say he's being punished for someone else's crime, you're completely incorrect.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by RollTide1987 on 9/24/13 at 12:00 pm to ballscaster
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Playing time is not a factor here.
You also have the added factor of having to move hundreds, if not thousands of miles to play football somewhere else. Some of these boys were born and raised in Pennsylvania. That's added expense to come home for holidays such as Christmas. You're still hurting the players.
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re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by St Augustine on 9/24/13 at 12:07 pm to RollTide1987
To me, the football sanctions were always kind of awkward. The punishments should've been harder in other areas but pulling football scholarships because of this monster and his actions was almost insulting to the victims.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 12:09 pm to RollTide1987
quote:That's why they were given every viable choice they could be given.
You also have the added factor of having to move hundreds, if not thousands of miles to play football somewhere else.
If a player wanted to stay at Penn State and play football, cool.
If a player wanted to stay at Penn State and quit football, he could still keep his athletic scholarship.
If a player wanted to transfer, he could do so and still keep his athletic scholarship and not have to sit out a year.
quote:There are nine other colleges and universities in Pennsylvania who offer scholarship-level football.
Some of these boys were born and raised in Pennsylvania. That's added expense to come home for holidays such as Christmas.
quote:The players are actually being given justifiable special treatment in this situation.
You're still hurting the players.
This post was edited on 9/24 at 12:10 pm
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 12:10 pm to St Augustine
quote:Those who are responsible for this situation prized football above everything. It only makes sense to sidekick that sand castle.
To me, the football sanctions were always kind of awkward. The punishments should've been harder in other areas but pulling football scholarships because of this monster and his actions was almost insulting to the victims.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by Quidam65 on 9/24/13 at 12:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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Thats assuming every player had the means to transfer to a new school
Correct.
First, if a player wanted to transfer, he would have to find a school to take him. That's easy for some players, but most aren't going to get offers except at maybe FCS or D2/D3 schools.
Also, there's the issue of transferring credits. Most universities require a minimum number of hours to be taken at the institution (as opposed to being transferred in) in order to get a degree. So if a player is one year away from a degree, he may not find a school willing to take his credits.
This could also pose a problem if the player has an offer upon graduation; he simply can't delay doing so or the offer may be rescinded.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 12:14 pm to Quidam65
quote:That's why the NCAA cut these players the deal that allowed them to stay at Penn State and keep their athletic scholarships without requiring them to play football. They could still go to school free of charge without any obligation to play football.
Correct.
First, if a player wanted to transfer, he would have to find a school to take him. That's easy for some players, but most aren't going to get offers except at maybe FCS or D2/D3 schools.
Also, there's the issue of transferring credits. Most universities require a minimum number of hours to be taken at the institution (as opposed to being transferred in) in order to get a degree. So if a player is one year away from a degree, he may not find a school willing to take his credits.
This could also pose a problem if the player has an offer upon graduation; he simply can't delay doing so or the offer may be rescinded.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by St Augustine on 9/24/13 at 12:16 pm to ballscaster
Then do away with the program and banish all of them. I always had issue with the quantifying of scholarships. How the hell do you determine a suitable punishment in those terms for something so heinous. At least now some more kids will get scholarships to play college football.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by Sevendust912 on 9/24/13 at 12:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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Are all the people under that whole regime gone?
Nah. Ron Vanderlindin and Larry Johnson are still on the staff.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ToesOnTheNose213 on 9/24/13 at 12:21 pm to The Boat
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Some of the people behind the Reggie Bush stuff were still at USC.
Who? Not the head coach. Not the AD. Not the player...
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Always Seemed a little pointless to me to punish football players and coaches that had nothing to do with all that that went down.
None of the current SC players had anything to do with Reggie Bush. Why should they be punished? SC is still under sanctions and the Bush stuff happened 8 years ago!
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While what Sandusky did was monstrous, no competitive advantage was gained and the only connection the crime had to the athletic program was that some of the incidents went down inside the facility.
How did USC get a competitive advantage by Reggie Bush leaving school early? That's why the wannabe sports agent gave his parents free rent and other stuff, so Bush would LEAVE USC.
And Penn State covering up for a child rapist for the sole purpose of protecting their football program and University is the fricking definition of lack of institutional control.
But whatever, frick everyone. frick everything. Yeah I mad, I jelly. If the same thing happened to your alma mater, you'd be furious too.
re: Penn State to get back scholarshipsPosted by ballscaster on 9/24/13 at 12:24 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
quote:They aren't. They still were eligible, they still got to go to school for free, and they still got to play football. Now, as a direct response to the sanctions put on their program, they were given the special treatment of the option to transfer without sitting out a year.
Why should they be punished?
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