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re: OSU baseball and Luke Heimlich

Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:26 pm to
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who got mad


Are you a woman or what?

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:33 pm to
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As I've already told you, it isn't sealed
Yes, it was. That was part of the deal
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:38 pm to
frick me....It's right there in plain English

I kept seeing how these cases aren't sealed.

Ok, sealed but public info???

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OSU's top pitcher was 15 years old when the crime occurred in his family's home in Puyallup, Washington, according to court documents obtained last week by The Oregonian/OregonLive through a public records request. Juvenile court records in Washington, unlike in Oregon, are not automatically confidential.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted by TH03
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:53 pm to
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Jesus this is one of the most naive and ridiculously false things I’ve ever seen. Pull your head out of sand and face reality man, innocent people are convicted ALL THE TIME. LINK


Okay? Why even try? The risk is a whopping 40 weeks in juvie.
Posted by LSUintheNW
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:54 pm to
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Okay? Why even try? The risk is a whopping 40 weeks in juvie.


A possible 40 weeks at that.

This wasn't a case of many years in prison.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 4:57 pm to
What a tough set of emotions and circumstances all around.

Luke is accused of doing this and then has a HUGE decision to make at 16 years old. Plead guilty to something you said you did not do OR fight a charge that may be tough to refute because the natural jury bias would be to believe the child. If he fights and loses, the potential penalties are worse than accepting the plea.

His brother is faced with having to decide whether he believes his daughter or his brother in this whole sad incident. Naturally a father is going lead towards siding with their child. But the brother doing so to this day makes you question if it isn't Luke who is lying.

If my young daughter accused my brother of doing such a thing, I would investigate to the ends of the earth to confirm that my daughter was telling the truth. That would include asking her (kindly, of course) if she was absolutely positive what she is saying actually happened in the way it was reported. Having a young child, I can say from experience that they will lie and misinterpret some things. That's the nature of being 4.

Evidently the child has never wavered from her story either and the brother still believes his daughter. Now that the child is older, she can fully understand the repercussions of her statements and the monumental effect it has had on the family. Her father, grandparents and uncle have all been affected and it's put them all in a situation of having to figure out if they trust their son/siblings. If it did not happen, presumably she could come out and say she was wrong. With her being 4 years old at the time I think her family would understand she may not have known the gravity of her accusation. More than anything, I think ALL family members would be relieved to know this didn't actually happen...even if the consequences have already played out.

It's reasonable to think a 16 year old accepted responsibility for something he didn't do because not doing so could impart far worse consequences to he and his family. However, it's also reasonable to question whether, despite consistent denials, he is telling the truth. Clearly his brother and most importantly, his niece, haven't changed their story either.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/4/18 at 5:32 pm to
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our minds, especially our memory, are not the steel traps we like to believe they are (And this is exponentially worse in our youth)


Forensic pyschiatrists will tell you that kids lie all the time in the legal arena.

And most often it's pressure from parents or implanted by counselors or police or doctors or a George Constanza case - it's not a lie if you believe it.

Kids want to please authority figures and parents and so they can go along with the craziest of ideas...like the day-care sex-abuse hysteria of the 1980's.

Hell, this goes back to the beginning of America. Look at the Salem Witch trials and the lies children tell got people murdered.

I don't know what happened in this case...but if he thought it would be sealed forever - he might have just taken the plea to move on and not make a public spectacle and trial out of it.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 5:35 pm
Posted by cubsfan5150
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Member since Nov 2007
18443 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:15 pm to
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he might have just taken the plea to move on and not make a public spectacle and trial out of it.


That's what these fricks can't seem to understand. It's not the 40 weeks he would have been afraid of, it's the possibility of the record not being sealed.

I don't know if he did it or not, but I've seen plenty of guys take article 15s in the military not due to guilt, but to prevent far worse consequences if they were found guilty, like having a federal conviction on your record.
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