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re: Oregon jumping FSU is proof that voters don't actually watch games

Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by benhamin5555
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:47 pm to
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I suspect the OP didn't watch the first half of the Oregon game.



I watched the entire first half. Neither team did shite offensively. UCLA scored off of turnovers and Oregon scored off a gimmicky fake punt.

Overall the game did not look like a contest between highly ranked teams. I still think Oregon would get stomped by Bama or FSU but I guess we'll see. Unless they choke before then like they do almost every season.
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:47 pm to
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UCLA outplayed Oregon in the first half


To the tune of a 0 point lead

Oregons D held a QB who some people floated out as a potential 1st round pick this year to under 65 yards passing, keeping them 200 yards under their average per game.

Given that the D is what everyone rags on, for their first big game they passed with flying colours.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:49 pm to
Yes, because only a lead shows that one tram played better than the other.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13356 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:49 pm to
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I watched the entire first half. Neither team did shite offensively. UCLA scored off of turnovers and Oregon scored off a gimmicky fake punt. Overall the game did not look like a contest between highly ranked teams. I still think Oregon would get stomped by Bama or FSU but I guess we'll see. Unless they choke before then like they do almost every season.


Yeah, we choked against Stanford.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:50 pm to
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I still think Oregon would get stomped by Bama or FSU


You might not think Oregon is #2 but that is ridiculous hyperbole.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:55 pm to
Having watched Oregon and their defense, I say with full confidence that their D would not be able to stop Alabama once. Oregon would have a good deal of success offensively, but they wouldn't score every drive against Saban and Smart.



IMO Bama (or FSU) would beat Oregon something like 56-35

Bama/FSU would be a much better game.
Posted by benhamin5555
Member since Oct 2009
2368 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:57 pm to
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IMO Bama (or FSU) would beat Oregon something like 56-35


How would Oregon possibly put up 35 on Bama?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:58 pm to
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How would Oregon possibly put up 35 on Bama?

Kinda similar to how A&M put 42
Posted by benhamin5555
Member since Oct 2009
2368 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 4:59 pm to
A&M and Oregon are not remotely similar teams
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:00 pm to
Oregon's vertical scheme is something Bama has never seen before. I think that in itself is something Bama has never seen before.

And my only point about A&M is that Alabama's defense obviously has vulnerabilities
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 5:02 pm
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13356 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:01 pm to
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Having watched Oregon and their defense, I say with full confidence that their D would not be able to stop Alabama once.


SEC! SEC! SEC!

For frick's sake we have a top 10 defense.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:02 pm to
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For frick's sake we have a top 10 defense.

For frick's sake your size is absolutely laughable. And you miss more tackles per play than Bama has in the last 5 years.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13356 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:04 pm to
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For frick's sake your size is absolutely laughable. And you miss more tackles per play than Bama has in the last 5 years.


Where are we small? Let alone laughably small.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 5:10 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:13 pm to
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Expect that FSU was up 35-0 in the first, and Oregon was tied at halftime and the game was close well into the 4th.


Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Oregon actually played a team with a pulse.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:20 pm to
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Where are we small?

LOL. Let's look at your front seven.

POSITION NAME WEIGHT
DE Hart 287
DE Washington 243
DT Keliikipi 306
DT Havili-Heimuli 314
LB Malone 208
LB Lokombo 232
LB Walker 225

Avg LB weight: 221.7


Now compare it to SEC teams:

Alabama
DE Pagan 290
DE Stinson 292
NG Ivory 310
LB Hubbard 252
LB Dickson 265
LB DePriest 245
LB Mosley 232

Average LB weight: 248.5

Auburn's average LB weight is 243
Florida's is 232
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13356 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:29 pm to
I don't know where you are getting your weights but I pulled mine off of the AD site for both teams. Those are all wrong and not even in the right position.

Our two deep on the DL:

DT: Armstead (296), Heimuli (314)
NG: Keliikipi (306), Balducci (297)
DE: Hart (287), Buckner (286)

OLB: Washington (245), French (244)
Mike: Hardrick (243), (Cassell 223)
WIL: Malone (222), Walker (231)
SAM: Lokombo (232), Coleman (225)



Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:31 pm to
I googled Oregon depth chart.


Anyways I seent it with my eyes. Just watch an SEC defense then quickly flip over to see Oregon's D. The size difference is very obvious.
Posted by Zamoro10
Member since Jul 2008
14743 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:36 pm to
how did that "SEC defense" size work for Tennessee?

Since you keep saying "SEC defense" - why are you leaving them out of it?

Or does everyone in the SEC not have Bama's D? Because you sure act like they do.

And how did Bama's D do against TAMU?

If you think TAMU is that much better than Oregon on O than I don't know what to tell you.

And unlike TAMU - Oregon actually has a pulse on D.

So don't give me this - no one can hang with Bama or "SEC defenses" bull.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 5:36 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62186 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:45 pm to
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how did that "SEC defense" size work for Tennessee?

Horribly. Alabama won 42-10, their 7th victory in a row in this rivalry
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Since you keep saying "SEC defense" - why are you leaving them out of it?

Because that would be like saying Alabama is gonna beat Oregon because of Colorado. It makes no sense.
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Or does everyone in the SEC not have Bama's D?
Obviously not
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Because you sure act like they do.
Not really. I was just pointing out the typical competition Bama faces and has success against. And how much bigger they are than Oregon. Your extreme anti-SEC prejudice is making you think I'm saying things I'm not. It's funny.
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And how did Bama's D do against TAMU?

Gave up 42 points, but stopped them a few times. They didn't stop us at all
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If you think TAMU is that much better than Oregon on O than I don't know what to tell you.

Manziel is better than Mariota. Their line is much better than Oregon's. Are you disputing any of this? Oregon's unique attack is what sets them apart, it's mostly a schematic advantage.
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And unlike TAMU - Oregon actually has a pulse on D.

Let's reserve judgment on that until we see Oregon's D against Stanford, the only team remotely close to the bruising pro style balanced power attack that Bama uses and usually wins the championship every year in both college and NFL
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So don't give me this - no one can hang with Bama or "SEC defenses" bull.

I didn't say that.


Again, you have these cliched, distorted arguments from hypothetical SEC stereotypical fans built up in your head. And you think I'm using them, and you argue against them. Instead of arguing against what I'm actually saying. Your prejudice is really really insane. It's making you stupid.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 5:46 pm
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 5:48 pm to
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I love the if argument.


I do too, especially when you actually dig into data and not just read box scores. Take the anomalies out, which is what I did.

That UCLA offense couldn't do shite unless they got an out of the ordinary punt block or bogus fumble on the 1st drive. You can't count on those things happening week in and week out, so you weight those occurrences less in an analysis. What is consistent is Oregon putting up points on anyone and everyone.

Problem is, Oregon is so efficient at what they do, even one blip or good defensive stop by another team, everyone thinks "OMGZors, Oregon didn't play well against ______"

Oregon is a better team than FSU. I'm not saying FSU is bad, but I'm putting my $$$ on Oregon in a neutral field match up.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 5:49 pm
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